送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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2 |, E$ X1 z$ w3 k/ o5 j  HUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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- n3 w( d8 ]4 V2 R6 USomeone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表


* o" T2 {& N# U5 i4 Jhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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  W. D5 A5 [& bUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表


I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

, d6 I- @) D  X1 ]please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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9 ?0 P. i: P+ ~; ~Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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# E4 w: E% ~. t4 o1 |8 ZBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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5 P& H$ L) I6 }+ r) i+ U) M' mhaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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4 }1 G* N/ f- W) q& g: e  a0 cUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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+ o0 O) g7 y7 s, |8 EBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

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写中文吧，各位～～

elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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- z( }$ U6 N  j. E1 c% YTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

5 `. f2 Z& h6 H& J. rthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
4 P* T! l3 s. U- C' v4 dThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表

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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada

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when you are talking about ...

4 a/ ^7 @: B3 O7 o; x- ]I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表


I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
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写中文吧，各位～～

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OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！

没有人找到加国的税法？我是没辄，公司的LAP　TOP给BLOCK了　

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
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i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...

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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。

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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表

: U* m5 M- n2 f* L# G" W4 Jhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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! r7 {4 x# ?4 `0 l1 d9 wthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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+ {7 S+ L4 B5 @: gOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.

还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
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你别捣乱了，可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧！

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表

还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去

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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.

8 }" z$ K6 K# a! {6 o" L+ ?i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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9 }8 f4 b1 X/ x5 H. F1 khoho, how funny

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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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还是灌水的正事儿要紧

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表

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是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表

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0 n8 s( N: t% G! u+ i 正全力督办此事。

猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
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francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
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2 再问是否需要点其他的，
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4 在问是否服务太差。
8 `* g2 V' ~2 B! U2 }5 ^8 o+ C7 w$ v5 ~5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

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我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉，三大妈有空也来吧，咱好好给他讲讲～

酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
8 K! m* s3 D2 _; I. Y* ~" r再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状

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3 再问是否送得太慢，
4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表

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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  

* E4 ?4 W6 _) w8 G2 v) c. j& V咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  

有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.