送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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( @0 a/ Q3 G- ~( w; d! y/ kYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

9 i' i) s( \2 ?9 v& ?! Shoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.

8 H. ]6 B! }9 T1 v# {- k, HUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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. p/ w- b& }4 @. Y' o) s2 ]! O+ s4 MUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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6 ]* @" M: q$ TUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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! A# n2 \  M6 g% U0 W' O7 NI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表


4 X7 B6 m4 h/ ?2 X2 A2 XUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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8 {+ a: k! `% z! t. KYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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what's the logic there?
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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表

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0 M3 W' `$ N$ `2 c6 ^please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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# D! S( S' L8 c" F; Rhaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表


Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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写中文吧，各位～～

elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: so ...

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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

" O+ z' A1 C2 Xthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada

what's the logic there?

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9 b8 p1 @6 ~) V8 N$ l7 cI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表


2 ]0 V- r- ~: ^5 G2 V$ bI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

8 Z- j9 _3 B8 y5 r" a8 V0 W( F9 oit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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5 F1 |3 O5 B3 z; t* t( j; Y/ l3 J; aright, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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9 w, B" `1 e6 j# `0 mdon't use big words that you don't understand.   

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  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:

猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。
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想跟着灌，插不进嘴～

OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！
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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
well, just for clarification purpose

0 W8 `7 u# W$ N* Q6 ]i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.
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1 }3 p4 J1 @7 u. t$ d% P6 W  _i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...

这小妮子真要讲理哈！

大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。
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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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$ f- I5 t( h- z. t0 o, q; shaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
+ r" Z: M8 x# Y# w" \& x/ W) OThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  

6 R! k! Y2 R* \0 e8 sOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.

还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表

还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去


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2 _4 S7 U0 }- e5 g! S/ M" Vi do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.

; X+ G; W% }" d5 E# x. di was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...

hoho, how funny
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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

猪刀小试

原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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7 A. L+ O9 f3 i- D1 H是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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& v0 N% J6 P0 t/ q4 C" Qi do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.

9 e" p5 m& E1 d7 z! v5 z+ R2 Ni was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

/ n/ p8 i8 H6 u- c3 a你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!

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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表

看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

正全力督办此事。

猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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! f" j: h8 ^  K$ R/ O2 再问是否需要点其他的，
3 再问是否送得太慢，
4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

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$ s: M6 p# U+ p$ ]! ?8 b这些招数值得一试。
6 a3 c- n; s3 |7 A% Q. L我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状

1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
2 再问是否需要点其他的，
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7 K; ]' z3 c' N& A+ z4 在问是否服务太差。
! L" ~* Y' N* V. `7 M5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

3 L) M4 ~) M6 j这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表

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唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  

咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  
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