送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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For Employer:
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2 T  H+ w5 l. T  q& nYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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- T- b9 I1 s' Dhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.

! U; s4 x: g& N$ w% sUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

" Q# j' y* c- k$ Y8 zBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表


2 x. f9 w. C& J0 I6 uI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表

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! A0 A" @4 O* m" C. \' bUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

1 g! j1 k- u" iYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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& o, l/ `: Z  h4 @' f9 p' @tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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what's the logic there?

when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表

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& b& E& [: r8 J+ U  H! ]+ N: {please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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4 ~& ~; ~% o8 P2 Z5 nUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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9 Z6 E! d! l& q$ K7 sBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。
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写中文吧，各位～～

elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表




To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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what's the logic there?
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when you are talking about ...

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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表

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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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it's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  

right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表

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don't use big words that you don't understand.   

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  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:

猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
4 c' n3 t) O6 {9 r1 E9 I: M全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。
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写中文吧，各位～～

想跟着灌，插不进嘴～

OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！

没有人找到加国的税法？我是没辄，公司的LAP　TOP给BLOCK了　

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
6 |; I2 U0 H3 J" A% p4 u+ Awell, just for clarification purpose

i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.

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& V" H- a+ y1 W1 F: b2 n# e+ A# [. x大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。
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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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" v+ B: s, W! V8 w. Lthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  

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& U& [1 q$ F0 M. j 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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你别捣乱了，可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧！

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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" ]! M6 B% F' w$ H! z) e' [7 R0 J7 w 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去

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) p* F2 s) X! t3 Ri do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...

hoho, how funny

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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

猪刀小试

原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
5 z7 N0 C5 k: s! p3 Y; O4 w又搞这么多英语

是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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  |4 C( }% h: o. ^# Ci do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!

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三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表
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猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
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francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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. z% Y/ M5 L% O) g1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
2 再问是否需要点其他的，
3 再问是否送得太慢，
9 C1 \' X) `8 h7 f4 在问是否服务太差。
' [4 X+ {. ?' y" [5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

" c! _  D  U) ?  q2 K- O这些招数值得一试。
我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表

5 ?( D4 o, \- e8 ^7 f真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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hahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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6 [- P4 [2 R1 n- Y: v唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状

1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
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3 再问是否送得太慢，
4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  

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