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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表2 j  l3 p9 g1 M

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" z1 w* X( r$ v, b( ?' LYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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; A6 A2 f5 y9 M: W& i, lhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.$ ^" y/ S2 F# Z1 W7 b
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!" O8 f* w2 K5 E9 Z' X
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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?0 \1 F! V. w# A

8 e" j) `/ B, ]. v[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:50 编辑 ]
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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( s! p2 d, x% f, |# Phoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...
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8 d! \: Y6 j7 m, c& Y  j) lUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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( M! l2 ]2 E1 U- a7 EBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表3 g" b% j" H" s) |- C
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I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表1 T5 q. E7 r" {9 n( L. G5 Z, g9 v9 f

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.  \) o& Y2 O  Q) [* A$ z
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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6 @8 k+ n. q+ C: P* k8 fYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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7 ^! @5 o' ?; `- n1 jtip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada8 p) D: S5 A2 \/ |0 `( u) }7 H
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what's the logic there?
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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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/ j3 F6 M: L6 t3 S# Xplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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  e, N2 K3 w2 j5 x9 EUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.2 q$ `. `( _$ d" D2 W& v6 I6 i$ j
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! , Q3 K, X7 x3 L$ i) n2 z% M* @

$ Y2 c% \! F( l# C" t) w7 DThe exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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# G& ?) a" S( r( r; bThe exception is: so ...
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7 \9 Q# |/ ]. S% q# phaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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8 n' f" Y" z6 k: Fthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:12 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表) L9 w3 C, N% W1 \  Q* z
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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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when you are talking about ...
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" v+ i& y" \9 M( p8 R8 }' v5 |I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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3 U& ~# h6 Y3 i1 eI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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, K' R% L+ m: k0 [. wit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表) h. z. w9 m7 m1 E2 T$ {
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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刚看了好几篇paper,头都大了。1 e2 R! }$ H4 {( M' v1 ^
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写中文吧,各位~~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!
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没有人找到加国的税法?我是没辄,公司的LAP TOP给BLOCK了 
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
$ Z: }' K. q. ]well, just for clarification purpose
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i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...
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这小妮子真要讲理哈!: Y- i2 _- n! Y: }

: l5 p/ B& m+ q: h6 y大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。  W" R1 I' B0 q, U& H/ e; M

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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0 ]/ Y4 Z# L- m/ d- hhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.$ g5 H( {$ }9 U; _7 Z4 E, A
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
5 s- ^( ^3 Z- L( k; p# d# |1 n2 x如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去 % Y; ^+ w" M1 w6 r" |
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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% i* i5 i7 o" ~& u' j/ ki was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:11 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.% b; y8 W) X7 ?" U4 I9 a' P
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

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还是灌水的正事儿要紧
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表* Q; ^5 d; y1 z; v( A  M% R

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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表
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/ t+ }6 m; W9 |" [+ O6 Q) Z' ?% s看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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正全力督办此事。
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靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表7 O6 g0 B; v# F7 C! U/ t' x
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~

' |3 L6 X$ q1 ~9 R真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表) T3 I; v9 G, d1 ~% l
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状/ L8 E! Q# K1 l: S1 N" I5 t- a
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
0 I, l1 n7 i" j: W2 再问是否需要点其他的, 5 y4 i$ Z) A4 Z' B
3 再问是否送得太慢,
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5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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! ]. C' d9 O2 Y; S# {这些招数值得一试。
$ v0 K: ^- J9 k" }* w我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表- H' @! ^) q( H6 P0 A3 _+ b
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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; P8 ?0 _) {$ U( H5 j. P+ Phahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
& o& S3 |: w  E$ s& f  ~3 o# T我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表+ G' ?1 g) ~% ]- @7 m
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
& }( Q% K( l- b8 p/ @2 J6 p8 l! R2 再问是否需要点其他的, 9 L% y; a( ^* y
3 再问是否送得太慢, 2 w/ v- \( P8 M7 @) o
4 在问是否服务太差。 6 o3 c) |* w) L% L
5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...

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这个应该管用!  
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表8 _' I* _; s- k% G
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: q( @2 ~1 m: @: i唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
2 Z) ~2 d6 X5 r4 r5 d, h0 S我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  ; ^) y3 _1 b6 j
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咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  
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1 ?- d( B+ J9 h" t有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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