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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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2 |, E$ X1 z$ w3 k/ o5 j  HUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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- n3 w( d8 ]4 V2 R6 USomeone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?8 W2 |: v' l, C, o5 }' e- \/ F

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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表3 ~' k0 J: Q9 `0 t2 I8 p
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* o" T2 {& N# U5 i4 Jhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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  W. D5 A5 [& bUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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[ 本帖最后由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:50 编辑 ]
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表+ i% {" \( H+ ^. b) X; q% @
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I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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, d6 I- @) D  X1 ]please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:54 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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9 ?0 P. i: P+ ~; ~Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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# E4 w: E% ~. t4 o1 |8 ZBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...
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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.- ^, g8 n7 i3 [1 K1 Z& u

7 u  h3 L  O$ t6 u3 x$ b5 ztip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada: A8 H) ~1 \0 U  W, j

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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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5 P& H$ L) I6 }+ r) i+ U) M' mhaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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4 }1 G* N/ f- W) q& g: e  a0 cUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! . {- S4 x( H0 }! I# W  [8 C
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The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~: c' [5 y# L; s  d2 P, L

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原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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- z( }$ U6 N  j. E1 c% YTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.% d( i1 O4 d- r! |

5 `. f2 Z& h6 H& J. rthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
4 P* T! l3 s. U- C' v4 dThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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5 F' E# O7 |; H$ L1 O' E0 @- q9 n6 u[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:12 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表! g, d) a/ M6 m+ e$ ?5 |- `: \; X& @

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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada$ N5 K' h. z& ~. V& C. V

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when you are talking about ...
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4 a/ ^7 @: B3 O7 o; x- ]I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表" A# F( I6 U# \' G* q
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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7 {9 H: q9 C- o. [it's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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! a. l; b% a2 j) ]4 }7 I9 Gdon't use big words that you don't understand.   

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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
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想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!* Y# J: m- C) ]. O6 q, c
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没有人找到加国的税法?我是没辄,公司的LAP TOP给BLOCK了 
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
8 ^9 h1 J* b; m7 d; Y; uwell, just for clarification purpose# ]) }( B. P, r/ g& _' a

( @+ o, g! O' m$ j& f8 U$ gi am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.
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i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...

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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。% W/ C; W0 [/ d' H7 t2 t

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表' R% Z& j( \- {; C- A

: U* m5 M- n2 f* L# G" W4 Jhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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! r7 {4 x# ?4 `0 l1 d9 wthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
# {' Y) M8 X' ]! i7 ^9 u) X如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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你别捣乱了,可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表6 v2 H& M! P" R0 J. d" P( a1 x
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。- G7 A7 J( @4 C
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去 . Y4 g3 g& g) p1 r

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你别捣乱了,可怜可怜 ...

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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here., p$ O5 _3 c1 t* T7 B' E2 b

8 }" z$ K6 K# a! {6 o" L+ ?i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.
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还是灌水的正事儿要紧
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表5 b- i. @9 j- I+ ^

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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表! V4 ]) |) ^6 a2 B4 T3 S

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靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
% ~8 Q# {' d1 P9 ^4 ~* Y再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了, ( W' x; v* P$ F- ^
2 再问是否需要点其他的,
8 m; w5 w& v! n) [3 再问是否送得太慢, ' m" ~- H- v2 ^% M, ~* {
4 在问是否服务太差。
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我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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' Y4 s9 t1 d: o3 ohahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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" I+ C( {  v+ y  o真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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; ^4 I! |# W4 h7 L7 p5 [9 P- A唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言 # b5 J7 m& N* {4 n- `
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
8 K! m* s3 D2 _; I. Y* ~" r再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状) q1 g4 o: H' Q, r

; v0 [' O& G# x& N5 m+ B& C1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
% I5 t! P% j5 p+ @6 N$ t) c4 d' ?( y' }& \2 再问是否需要点其他的, ' F7 R' Q" [+ M9 g5 m1 l
3 再问是否送得太慢, 0 g  B3 ?5 Z: L7 I% a  e5 A1 @
4 在问是否服务太差。 ' T- V: P. z2 H8 t7 D5 }3 P+ T
5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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这个应该管用!  
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表5 \/ r3 F& S2 g5 e; n* M5 p) h

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# c6 w5 {  |, O" a, W唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
: i- B+ `* X8 ^6 L8 R: `6 A" s我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  7 y" z* a9 y, N" _! o

* E4 ?4 W6 _) w8 G2 v) c. j& V咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  . o+ G9 x8 Q; `/ z& ], A
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有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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