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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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4 d* F0 T7 j* e+ \/ tFor Employer:
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( @0 a/ Q3 G- ~( w; d! y/ kYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.
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9 i' i) s( \2 ?9 v& ?! Shoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing./ z7 G2 W7 v; |0 v

8 H. ]6 B! }9 T1 v# {- k, HUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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. p/ w- b& }4 @. Y' o) s2 ]! O+ s4 MUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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6 ]* @" M: q$ TUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.  g% E6 Q& i! G2 V
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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[ 本帖最后由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:50 编辑 ]
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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! A# n2 \  M6 g% U0 W' O7 NI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!+ D# }( C/ x' P4 N

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表8 D0 k, ?/ ~, d* K$ [
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4 X7 B6 m4 h/ ?2 X2 A2 XUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.7 w, h* r, X1 x7 r# o; r, B
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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8 {+ a: k! `% z! t. KYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.  l" D- o& U4 q7 ^/ t) K9 C
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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what's the logic there?
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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表+ Z1 q* H/ b, }7 z9 r0 Z' o# f

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0 M3 W' `$ N$ `2 c6 ^please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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# D! S( S' L8 c" F; Rhaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表0 i. |2 M( D) {
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.  i1 X4 f" ]/ N9 e8 A3 x
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! / a* p# S# ~/ i8 A1 G2 `6 M
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The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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写中文吧,各位~~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: so ...

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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.- ?( K# ^( H  ^; v  u% ^0 U: Q

" O+ z' A1 C2 Xthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  , L; u7 X% [) f- L  W% R+ D9 Y
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.: `  Y" o- o# q1 A4 z* f: }
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[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:12 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表5 @  P, @) Z; @4 I1 p0 x+ `. Y

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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9 b8 p1 @6 ~) V8 N$ l7 cI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表6 X  w/ K6 J/ ~5 L9 V
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2 ]0 V- r- ~: ^5 G2 V$ bI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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8 Z- j9 _3 B8 y5 r" a8 V0 W( F9 oit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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5 F1 |3 O5 B3 z; t* t( j; Y/ l3 J; aright, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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9 w, B" `1 e6 j# `0 mdon't use big words that you don't understand.   

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  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:20 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表3 Z. v; w2 I. I4 M, F. d9 s
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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刚看了好几篇paper,头都大了。
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想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表  K. P. x9 ?* R8 @9 I; Z2 B0 u
well, just for clarification purpose3 o' m! T0 Z8 V- }" d

0 W8 `7 u# W$ N* Q6 ]i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.
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1 }3 p4 J1 @7 u. t$ d% P6 W  _i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...
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这小妮子真要讲理哈!$ C) `1 K6 E& o4 J) s5 D
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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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$ f- I5 t( h- z. t0 o, q; shaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。& c) ^( `, ~+ y
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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* W" G, y! i8 V* X* M7 L你别捣乱了,可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表% G5 E" ]& X, x3 L$ |7 k. ^3 a( J2 l- u
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。2 m% n4 t5 t" P/ E' b' Z( V: i
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2 _4 S7 U0 }- e5 g! S/ M" Vi do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.$ P* n  b% K- h% g+ x3 o

; X+ G; W% }" d5 E# x. di was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...2 F# ]" |# G0 J! ~  e; Y: `8 Z  V6 A
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hoho, how funny
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:11 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表/ z2 R/ K5 |3 m% n) e! U
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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正全力督办此事。
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靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表3 u- i! D. S: ?% s$ P
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表4 A! \, g6 v' Q; u/ x
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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& R2 j  W* V' v7 B. B2 j( m1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
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4 在问是否服务太差。 ) a( _  v/ Z. k1 B) y3 X
5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...

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$ s: M6 p# U+ p$ ]! ?8 b这些招数值得一试。
6 a3 c- n; s3 |7 A% Q. L我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
* L9 k( E: d7 _' H$ r  b我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表% ~$ t4 m' N. P/ a. j8 Y
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状2 d  R7 `0 d" _
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了, - s) e* m" o% l- Z
2 再问是否需要点其他的,
7 g- X* g0 H' a+ d" D8 Y3 再问是否送得太慢,
7 K; ]' z3 c' N& A+ z4 在问是否服务太差。
! L" ~* Y' N* V. `7 M5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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3 L) M4 ~) M6 j这个应该管用!  
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表) c& F5 G) p  |$ f" L

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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
( t2 u( ~5 `8 N2 l我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:    v8 G; [! R1 J2 ?6 U8 \
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咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  
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' x" Y/ R$ L& J6 f# W/ P有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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