說說SUV 和MINIVAN

喜欢冬天 · 发表于 2007-5-24 07:19

个人觉得喜欢MINIWAN，我们出去玩的时候．老公可以从前座走到后面拿东西给孩子吃．空间大，很舒服

QWE321 · 发表于 2007-5-24 08:19

"老公可以从前座走到后面拿东西给孩子吃", you mean during driving? It is not a safety habit.

一尘 · 发表于 2007-5-27 08:03

楼上有朋友说KIA三天两头需要找dealer维修，我买的sportage，半年，除了事故送修一次（对方全责），没出过毛病。上周末去了一趟Banff，calgary，四天1700多公里，车上四个成年人，有山路，有平原，高速110-140，偶尔150，行驶平稳，操控自如，一直跟车Jeep大切，没有掉队的感觉，全程平均油耗接近10L/km。
相对sportage的价位，这车不能说有多好，我目前的感觉是稳定可靠，物有所值。

小猪豆豆 · 发表于 2007-5-29 17:06

学而时习之，不亦悦乎。受教了，感谢！

veiclee · 发表于 2007-5-29 17:07

原帖由 小猪豆豆 于 2007-5-29 18:06 发表
( x" X: C% z& G- d$ G$ [0 V7 Y* ?学而时习之，不亦悦乎。受教了，感谢！

赞同！

冷眼看世界 · 发表于 2007-5-30 01:00

原帖由一尘于 2007-5-27 09:03 发表
2 N$ G% D& `5 Q1 s- D. V楼上有朋友说KIA三天两头需要找dealer维修，我买的sportage，半年，除了事故送修一次（对方全责），没出过毛病。上周末去了一趟Banff，calgary，四天1700多公里，车上四个成年人，有山路，有平原，高速110-140， ...

let's wait, see and wish you a good luck~

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西安转笔刀 · 发表于 2007-6-19 23:17

继续

酸葡萄 · 发表于 2007-6-22 13:19

原帖由一尘于 2007-5-27 09:03 发表
1 m; T# k& U, |7 M( k+ v1 i3 {& U楼上有朋友说KIA三天两头需要找dealer维修，我买的sportage，半年，除了事故送修一次（对方全责），没出过毛病。上周末去了一趟Banff，calgary，四天1700多公里，车上四个成年人，有山路，有平原，高速110-140， ...

四天1700不能说明问题,我租过pontic 的G5, 9天开罗4700km,还是5个人呢,还不是什么问题没有,平均130km/h?自己的accord更猛,满载3天开到toronto,3600km. 过了一个星期又开回来了,全程9000多km.车的好坏要开long term的. 另外我不是攻击kia, 我在盐城的kia厂干过, 板金并不是很好,尤其是小车.不过我想北美的质检要求要高很多,是国内不能比的吧.虽然kia的质量有改进,但还有很长的路要走.

精品中年老男人 · 发表于 2007-7-12 10:21

悦耳的鸟 · 发表于 2007-7-12 12:45

有用有用，长知识了

yuanyuan · 发表于 2007-7-18 19:56

仁者见仁，智者见智。北美最大的好处就是信息公开。大家有兴趣的话，可以游游以下网站：

1） Drive a "low-risk" car and “How Cars Measure Up.”

http://www.ibc.ca/en/Car_Insurance/Buying_a_New_Car/HCMU.asp

2） Visit Consumer Reports to start gathering information about new cars

   http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/index.htm

3) Check out the vehicle’s crashworthiness

   http://www.iihs.org/

   http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/

衷心祝愿大家都买到满意的车

yuanyuan · 发表于 2007-7-18 20:17

原帖由老杨于 2007-5-18 20:36 发表
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看来您对KIA并不熟悉，因为KIA的价钱并不便宜。KIA现在主要是两个卖点，一个是它的安全性，一个是它的5年保修。

还有一项就是：

4） Search auto recalls to find car defects for specific year/make/model combination

http://www.internetautoguide.com/auto-recalls/

不是打击老杨，刚刚查了一下 2006 KIA Sedona, 才一年新的车就有两个recall了，还 "leading to crash..."

就我的经验，各个牌子都有好车，也有排行倒着数的，不能就牌子一概而论。此外，久经考验的好车都不便宜，便宜的车也有好车，但是有待时间的验证，就看你重哪一头了。

嘉士伯 · 发表于 2007-7-18 21:03

Anyone gives some comments on Fort Excape V6???

yuanyuan · 发表于 2007-7-19 18:33

April 12, 2007, the New York Times reported that Ford is recalling more than 500,000 Escape sport-utility vehicles after 50 reports of engine fires caused by corroded brakes.

老杨 · 发表于 2007-7-19 19:27

原帖由 yuanyuan 于 2007-7-18 21:17 发表
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如果用recall去衡量车的话，下面这个牌子的recall更多：

Toyota Recalls by Model
• 2007 Toyota Camry Solara SLE 5 _- `8 `: f6 w	• 1997 Toyota Camry CE( y1 P6 A$ w3 R: r9 C
• 2007 Toyota Camry Solara SE Sport s! q7 S* d. ^8 r	• 1996 Toyota Camry SE 3 H5 u1 o4 `- x- B+ ^9 l# ?
• 2007 Toyota Camry XLE , }( g _, D2 i3 \|3 e, ~( d	• 1996 Toyota T-100 DX# t3 f/ t4 N: O( M- q# F$ v9 M8 p6 a
• 2007 Toyota Sequoia SR5: c2 @0 p+ `7 Q; p	• 1996 Toyota 4Runner SR5 * H1 c, [8 k0 s( S2 H
• 2007 Toyota Camry LE # @! @8 h* b' ~# w- t$ `8 R	• 1996 Toyota Camry LE8 }- M3 j$ ]1 @
• 2007 Toyota Camry Solara SE) K% M8 Y0 S/ v& J+ v8 }	• 1996 Toyota Tercel DX, z6 }( i2 i( C- q. o f
• 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid / Q( f( f( y6 g; G1 A( @	• 1996 Toyota Corolla " P8 h& P( c, E9 _3 X; Z
• 2007 Toyota Sequoia Limited $ e6 [# e3 s7 W	• 1996 Toyota Tacoma SR56 \|( ~; i1 `0 U* t B. R8 M6 ^# y1 r9 B
• 2007 Toyota Camry SE$ _% r* J: `0 c. ?6 R- p+ W2 @	• 1996 Toyota Camry XLE , w+ b, K/ v8 \|& w3 M1 m3 C
• 2007 Toyota Camry CE : u% {" U. C/ L: L, Q6 o% {	• 1996 Toyota T-100 1 n9 O }3 l, p; u- i% ?
• 2006 Toyota Camry XLE " C) j0 J0 K- w b; O	• 1996 Toyota Celica ST ; n2 o0 W# N7 `; P
• 2006 Toyota Avalon Limited ' ^( h {3 x3 X: X9 c* _* \|	• 1996 Toyota 4Runner Limited 0 J; j# ]5 X; g# \|
• 2006 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner( k9 s( O: A& s6 Z) W: m	• 1996 Toyota Camry DX9 W$ Q& t8 s0 L( V3 e5 o- D8 c
• 2006 Toyota Camry LE$ i. c2 n: \1 p5 B0 ?	• 1996 Toyota T-100 SR5- G v3 ]% L5 \* @/ H' ]
• 2006 Toyota Corolla LE 9 l+ `! @1 v: c9 ]8 e	• 1996 Toyota Tercel 6 w ]1 _# r6 Z8 ~6 S% x- r e
• 2006 Toyota Sequoia SR5 * p: q& q/ h/ ^9 O- L& B	• 1996 Toyota Corolla DX$ ^. _* A* k5 h
• 2006 Toyota Tundra * A' n( b h* Q& c: p9 J	• 1996 Toyota Celica GT! h. J" h$ U7 b
• 2006 Toyota Corolla XRS % a. H* b- c' e- `) f	• 1996 Toyota Tacoma & y& [4 P) R& `0 L2 E- Z
• 2006 Toyota Avalon XL8 ?6 n6 o% x6 }! [! g: k	• 1996 Toyota 4Runner $ s7 i( A4 b9 p. p' Z1 \|' r
• 2006 Toyota Prius * C, {! ]4 l5 _	• 1995 Toyota Tercel DX8 u/ h- ^: f+ x. P/ R% V
• 2006 Toyota Camry 5 @/ r9 b( V) s7 Y0 v	• 1995 Toyota Pickup T0 q V: o, C! T8 R
• 2006 Toyota Avalon Touring( a/ T" b! c( T p; x o3 G* F& W6 m	• 1995 Toyota Camry XLE9 J3 R7 P9 k4 h4 W
• 2006 Toyota Tacoma ' v) M0 k' i/ e+ ^+ J x7 `# j( n	• 1995 Toyota Corolla LE/ \' T' W3 R) E. M: d8 u( M
• 2006 Toyota Camry SE 4 f. f5 \& K" ~2 t Y	• 1995 Toyota T-100 DX One-Ton! T6 z4 L8 ^$ d' c7 X
• 2006 Toyota Sequoia Limited; L0 r; f, G. \|+ N9 T" P \	• 1995 Toyota Pickup SR5 & N- H" Z$ M- q/ e( P. n% U; W
• 2006 Toyota Tacoma X-Runner' p4 K* E# ^. l$ _( h- P0 e	• 1995 Toyota Tacoma SR53 D5 s+ B2 A+ R7 z9 D
• 2006 Toyota Tundra SR5 9 S0 K3 Q Z. o	• 1995 Toyota Camry DX8 M! Z5 V- A; l+ ^4 h5 O
• 2006 Toyota Corolla S" ^0 ~8 Y. y7 \	• 1995 Toyota T-100 DX+ S8 A J- } u; q* N7 V2 [2 x
• 2006 Toyota Tundra Limited / B9 ]0 g/ m }7 B+ W	• 1995 Toyota 4Runner SR5 ' n- V# `4 r4 ^$ I' F
• 2006 Toyota Corolla CE $ G8 g' g5 f: b3 j+ i$ E, J	• 1995 Toyota Tercel 0 n0 I1 l+ ]% F5 h! i' F
• 2006 Toyota Avalon XLS- F3 R3 ^; b! A! R/ v$ o* z8 _7 s	• 1995 Toyota Corolla 8 e6 } M# `4 O7 `) y V( @8 d2 p1 z, ~
• 2005 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner " O& r4 V" K: q8 l! R/ B- C	• 1995 Toyota Pickup DLX 0 `3 ]% w# T. t2 v' ]- Y9 X
• 2005 Toyota Tundra 7 l7 c# G( b+ l	• 1995 Toyota Camry SE$ S* ?9 Q" m- d# W6 c' L$ C4 ^
• 2005 Toyota Corolla XRS ' e, T" i6 ?1 {* r0 s/ D0 [. `6 v6 P6 W	• 1995 Toyota Corolla DX/ W: m* D- j# p. L+ ^: q
• 2005 Toyota Sequoia SR5 H: l; c, ^( R' _ l7 F( ]	• 1995 Toyota T-100 ; u; @+ ~8 u9 Q- _8 z" e
• 2005 Toyota Tundra Limited . ^- V) ~( Z9 h! N# j2 T	• 1995 Toyota Tacoma ( m( a1 j# V8 E) F0 ^; \|
• 2005 Toyota Avalon XL, W/ l1 @9 ]/ a2 N& g2 `	• 1995 Toyota Camry LE 3 W& z f' \|& p, \: `
• 2005 Toyota Camry ; O n! y* a T' \	• 1995 Toyota T-100 SR5: C4 W8 H' u/ Z8 [; }7 ?) U, Y
• 2005 Toyota Avalon Touring ; x" C& ~; S( X8 [	• 1994 Toyota Pickup DLX& a& A6 @% \|* P5 r# X) y
• 2005 Toyota Camry SE + p, j& W) b& f2 w- m8 V' [	• 1994 Toyota Camry DX1 ?/ j( n. ^& s+ b( t/ y: P) g
• 2005 Toyota Sienna LE) d0 \) _9 S# N7 F	• 1994 Toyota Corolla DX 1 y1 _' j( X6 z: P
• 2005 Toyota Highlander Limited; S: \|0 a9 H3 i$ B	• 1994 Toyota T-100 SR5$ ~, i- a4 M S; w( V V
• 2005 Toyota Tacoma ! Q$ m6 O3 y% _	• 1994 Toyota Pickup c) k: p% i! v5 v) r
• 2005 Toyota Corolla S/ b9 I% x1 ^/ ^; Z1 n/ I! Y' I	• 1994 Toyota Camry SE7 G d5 P: f5 D; v" Z4 b
• 2005 Toyota Sienna XLE 3 N; H @' n, A6 z" Z	• 1994 Toyota Corolla LE 2 \7 m- c4 p1 ?5 L$ l
• 2005 Toyota Sequoia Limited- I) m* \. V$ M9 b# s	• 1994 Toyota T-100 2 m0 y8 y1 M3 W, b+ [: B
• 2005 Toyota Tundra SR5 7 v, U9 G! P% Z5 S& \# v2 [8 d9 ^/ H	• 1994 Toyota Pickup SR5 # ?9 W; t( G" v: k# x" W
• 2005 Toyota Corolla CE 0 ]0 N( Y& j; a3 p4 q	• 1994 Toyota Camry LE 7 h: F7 T) s: T% D0 @: c
• 2005 Toyota RAV4 0 {" p; o3 g) H7 \|1 }5 U5 l' e	• 1994 Toyota T-100 DX " X, w+ U5 w4 K" m6 ?
• 2005 Toyota Avalon XLS/ b1 l3 \! O% P' o8 \|: J2 J	• 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5 # L6 Z; \|9 N# `8 u% @# c
• 2005 Toyota Camry XLE! @- C. m2 U# O/ J$ C& p	• 1994 Toyota Camry XLE5 J; I. m0 d8 l! q/ t' r* H
• 2005 Toyota Sienna CE . I0 _1 S8 Z& D& k& s B& h	• 1994 Toyota Corolla 6 J6 ^2 Y9 s8 T9 }$ f
• 2005 Toyota Avalon Limited 8 D( ?/ }8 s& ~+ c9 z+ S	• 1994 Toyota T-100 DX One-Ton2 J/ B/ @! i% t
• 2005 Toyota Highlander , y1 z7 H/ C& Q( p& S1 p: o	• 1993 Toyota Camry SE. T8 I8 j* {7 J$ x
• 2005 Toyota Prius " j {5 D# U9 a. g# \. o$ @" n	• 1993 Toyota Corolla 0 Y5 d& d9 w) H
• 2005 Toyota Camry LE # C% d/ P7 O0 y1 m: K$ d5 v' o	• 1993 Toyota T-100 One-Ton * R# g) z# j9 `5 \|7 ~7 s
• 2005 Toyota Corolla LE- a' R5 B8 R4 N @. H; O% Y9 T	• 1993 Toyota 4Runner SR5 0 [# I2 W% S- m; g# O+ d# \|8 i6 I
• 2005 Toyota Sienna XLE Limited : ]% z( G8 i# x( {: Q1 l! T	• 1993 Toyota Pickup DLX$ @; W' r$ C( R
• 2004 Toyota Sequoia SR5 , a9 N2 ]. h! i5 Q! e8 \& d& [9 u	• 1993 Toyota Camry DX4 _' {& U0 ~: [0 f
• 2004 Toyota Camry SE : f% u6 L: j& o) `4 l( n' W	• 1993 Toyota Corolla DX. @) `' J6 u# i! ]2 B( D
• 2004 Toyota Sienna LE # k5 _$ V6 T- y( T# r1 ?* M5 m4 f+ D	• 1993 Toyota Land Cruiser 3 w* H: G* N: Z6 G, C8 {
• 2004 Toyota Corolla LE 2 Q6 C! C( h9 m	• 1993 Toyota T-100 2 L" J( ?: v3 F6 N- u
• 2004 Toyota Sienna XLE ! \|- v1 E- R1 [0 p	• 1993 Toyota Camry XLE 4 n* n/ r# o5 [1 I9 h
• 2004 Toyota Highlander Limited' ^8 _/ B* T" ?4 X/ U, H9 u	• 1993 Toyota Pickup " r1 {! A7 M6 R. H1 \: f
• 2004 Toyota Prius & s3 `- c: F; i	• 1993 Toyota Camry LE( G3 r/ ` \|2 d4 I
• 2004 Toyota Tacoma 8 q( a+ P1 d! n$ k2 _+ `0 }1 k	• 1993 Toyota Corolla LE . i7 X* `* s! b& x" n9 A1 K$ w
• 2004 Toyota Tundra ; R) ?& h6 T$ ^	• 1993 Toyota T-100 SR57 Y2 k. v, v% @' A
• 2004 Toyota Corolla CE % O9 r* n$ q. X	• 1993 Toyota Pickup SR5+ Z( G, n/ s* w* R: o- f
• 2004 Toyota Sequoia Limited K) Y% ~7 A) K2 R# h. Y" k& d	• 1992 Toyota Camry SE 6 [$ e% a+ g; ^* R5 K0 V) U9 J
• 2004 Toyota Tundra Limited" ?; ^5 T6 c5 V: S: X, y	• 1992 Toyota Corolla LE- k* Q; f( I% l5 R, T
• 2004 Toyota Camry XLE, ]- i3 E3 U/ C$ I. Q	• 1992 Toyota Pickup DLX ; t `! v0 {- c( u5 x; Q' r
• 2004 Toyota Sienna CE 0 g4 V2 X% r6 F- V0 \, r	• 1992 Toyota Camry LE9 \" E$ }2 V) Y0 r. r3 H6 X! \9 Q
• 2004 Toyota Camry LE! N5 C, [$ s+ ^9 {: n I5 }/ ^9 v	• 1992 Toyota Corolla SR5 All-Trac! X, Q1 K* H( K! k: o/ }/ K' [
• 2004 Toyota Sienna XLE Limited0 Y9 l; h0 N1 q5 J	• 1992 Toyota Pickup DLX 1 Ton 3 S. [5 F$ ~ a6 x
• 2004 Toyota Highlander : q# p) `- I" w	• 1992 Toyota Camry XLE 0 r1 T" D/ i4 Y. z: U" ~+ m8 ]
• 2004 Toyota Tacoma S-Runner" b1 W$ E4 m0 b! e	• 1992 Toyota Corolla 2 t" j5 T/ N# q" U$ X$ V, p" e
• 2004 Toyota Corolla S, O s: Q) u2 r3 l0 c8 g/ A	• 1992 Toyota MR2 & h% x, t' \: o- [- ]( v
• 2004 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner6 O0 j- J) h8 @7 k% G" n/ `	• 1992 Toyota Pickup + P, [8 g2 j* F8 Z2 h5 t
• 2004 Toyota Tundra SR5 + \3 B. E' B: {9 @# s	• 1992 Toyota Camry DLX. k( u1 t- g& _- n! }
• 2003 Toyota Celica GTS : l! [, l0 O4 v; G0 C9 V2 T @	• 1992 Toyota Corolla DLX All-Trac! X) F0 V5 d# N( P) g: H1 f
• 2003 Toyota Tacoma S-Runner7 D1 V H7 n& f	• 1992 Toyota Pickup SR55 g5 [( b: [9 {. F
• 2003 Toyota Corolla S6 `& ?! E* W" x' _$ T	• 1992 Toyota Corolla DLX 8 ~* P7 G& }8 q' {0 P
• 2003 Toyota Highlander Limited - v+ F I% g' M; h2 M$ j	• 1992 Toyota 4Runner SR5 8 t7 i9 v( Y: a% ~8 V5 C1 a- W7 J
• 2003 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner : ?1 j( m) D8 c% p* w& U! s5 F	• 1992 Toyota Land Cruiser 0 ?# {0 o) T- T" N4 \|1 e
• 2003 Toyota Tundra SR5 ) a& f3 X2 X* v, \& P	• 1992 Toyota MR2 T-Bar Roof 4 ^) \|( _! _! o/ e3 }# N! T
• 2003 Toyota Sequoia Limited' z: G7 ?) a& ^; {	• 1991 Toyota Previa LE# V" `# s2 Q9 X2 u
• 2003 Toyota Camry SE 2 U. Z; }- V j# y	• 1991 Toyota 4Runner SR5 : _% q) Q1 g2 u. {# A( p' R
• 2003 Toyota Celica GT 3 u1 v F/ K) p% u	• 1991 Toyota Camry 2 s5 }* `" k$ L) O" d4 h
• 2003 Toyota Corolla LE) L: I# f( b$ c& W	• 1991 Toyota Land Cruiser + q9 x1 T! ?3 c. v/ w8 ~0 X# A" \
• 2003 Toyota Highlander % L$ B0 Z2 z2 y	• 1991 Toyota Pickup ( T) i5 `( i l5 \|1 J* C' i3 E
• 2003 Toyota Tacoma 9 ~9 i4 [# e* k6 H# Z# G& c	• 1991 Toyota Camry DLX $ Q& k# y: V! E* X1 S8 Z6 J
• 2003 Toyota Tundra 2 t$ v( i: G+ T' I+ ]7 I	• 1991 Toyota MR2 7 h \| B% y+ m! I* ^5 m
• 2003 Toyota Corolla CE8 f6 y; Z2 r- \|' `# N% N7 j# U	• 1991 Toyota Pickup SR5 - o3 t" A5 k' g3 q/ ]5 f' D
• 2003 Toyota Tundra Limited/ v2 C9 b% f2 d* n! r	• 1991 Toyota Previa DLX . X2 M* j8 a L/ b: N( o3 W- n
• 2003 Toyota Camry XLE" f( @: W9 C% d s	• 1991 Toyota Camry LE All-Trac ( h8 ~& v7 a7 n
• 2003 Toyota Sequoia SR52 R; K/ j9 H3 P+ C. e9 d7 E	• 1991 Toyota Camry DLX All-Trac5 O1 n; b4 d3 g3 j% q
• 2003 Toyota Camry LE/ b6 s v( Y% o# D. N2 R7 x	• 1991 Toyota MR2 T-Bar Roof# T" D0 E% Q; R: c( m3 }
• 2002 Toyota Corolla CE+ b" G( u6 \|( Y	• 1991 Toyota Pickup DLX# ~5 I0 @4 e+ U2 P+ U
• 2002 Toyota Highlander Limited3 G7 R& V+ {! b- L; `8 l/ y	• 1991 Toyota Camry LE- u ~7 Q" F; g0 g8 U
• 2002 Toyota Tundra Limited # \7 B t3 b1 G( W& w	• 1991 Toyota Pickup DLX 1 Ton, p, W p7 N: x2 a
• 2002 Toyota 4Runner Limited, [. n0 W1 B9 ~4 M	• 1990 Toyota Pickup 9 H3 ?0 r6 I% E. {8 L {
• 2002 Toyota ECHO ; j3 [" r0 \5 I' o/ B	• 1990 Toyota Camry LE 3 a7 \|$ f, _! Z g& d6 S0 Q
• 2002 Toyota Camry XLE3 `+ V8 ^& E7 @2 \( D/ i	• 1990 Toyota Pickup SR5. S3 A3 D$ d! l/ O
• 2002 Toyota Sequoia Limited i1 C# r) s) D/ Z: \|9 H. F	• 1990 Toyota Tercel EZ & M2 W! Z/ e! O @( V8 O* S
• 2002 Toyota Camry LE' M% a& t, T! \|1 \$ K o5 c	• 1990 Toyota Celica GT0 W$ O" u+ D2 v" Q; h0 U
• 2002 Toyota Celica GT+ p( A) u8 E3 e6 J9 V5 R* h	• 1990 Toyota Tercel Base o h& B) O6 t5 X# v! }- k5 r. x
• 2002 Toyota Tacoma S-Runner 2 t/ H7 d* o8 k	• 1990 Toyota Camry 0 X. t2 M/ R8 K2 I9 i* o
• 2002 Toyota Corolla S* S' S1 Q0 S5 K/ h& S( X	• 1990 Toyota Celica ST ( _6 F& p0 C; y
• 2002 Toyota Highlander 8 w0 E5 t# @4 }7 a7 G	• 1990 Toyota Camry DLX : ]* u+ p- \ N: r
• 2002 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner. `7 Q3 `* ]3 n) j	• 1990 Toyota Pickup DLX / F, }0 G$ D' T5 t
• 2002 Toyota Tundra SR5 ) Q1 F" e% z" a' X; w/ h; ]	• 1990 Toyota 4Runner SR50 y& J/ B9 l+ }8 ]% f4 s; `" g
• 2002 Toyota 4Runner SR5 & T- `7 h" F3 T/ g9 V; S	• 1990 Toyota Celica GTS ! t" g& C* N5 F
• 2002 Toyota Camry SE/ _3 i, ?# b5 c; y. V4 Y a/ s. r	• 1990 Toyota Land Cruiser , _, \. M, ^* _4 Q# _+ b, j2 [
• 2002 Toyota Prius ' q$ E# x* w# T' M- I2 p	• 1990 Toyota Pickup DLX 1 Ton5 N/ m5 D+ b- o
• 2002 Toyota Sequoia SR5 & ?4 f/ A$ c. O" ]5 N2 g5 \	• 1990 Toyota Tercel DLX3 B8 a. K+ W6 w7 z' F7 b% t
• 2002 Toyota Celica GTS$ }9 A% s! z5 O( N3 T) k: T4 o	• 1990 Toyota Camry LE All-Trac! P+ F4 p$ s8 y* g4 _5 m
• 2002 Toyota Corolla LE ! F8 O/ a, e( L1 i% k	• 1990 Toyota Celica All Trac 8 N" C. W- E( Y/ z5 F
• 2002 Toyota Tacoma 5 B8 Y8 ?' [6 L5 C	• 1990 Toyota Tercel 2 \|( h; k) A6 d u' K ]( X
• 2002 Toyota Tundra & Q+ _; s6 d$ r3 {( O5 \. c	• 1990 Toyota Camry DLX All-Trac0 j4 m s, m. `
• 2001 Toyota Camry LE# q% m. v c5 r X1 ~ R	• 1989 Toyota Camry LE All-Trac: [6 k2 V4 F# \+ j" ^
• 2001 Toyota Sienna LE 0 t6 q$ M* q, k9 u	• 1989 Toyota 4Runner DLX 2-Passenger 6 S/ n7 @ c* U/ y9 F
• 2001 Toyota Avalon XL 2 m1 }. b7 D& d, d) J4 r1 l	• 1989 Toyota Tercel Base 2 s+ n: t/ N6 z
• 2001 Toyota Sequoia Limited 5 \|0 Z1 O2 w3 b1 f& H8 z	• 1989 Toyota Camry DLX All-Trac 4 ?8 q D" ?* \* T. W
• 2001 Toyota Celica GT5 k+ ]: v/ s2 H0 P) ?% G	• 1989 Toyota Land Cruiser " `; [3 l% y$ c3 P" T- ]4 ^( g" s" h
• 2001 Toyota Corolla LE , d" L5 Q5 _' N# H7 k6 P) b	• 1989 Toyota Camry LE; z4 Z. g. p8 r7 K# g; g% s' P
• 2001 Toyota Prius : a8 l/ s! t, k; S, d* I	• 1989 Toyota Pickup DLX+ y A% ]# ~" c; w9 t
• 2001 Toyota Tacoma 7 v7 s% P+ m* ~( D, d- ]8 c	• 1989 Toyota Pickup DLX 1 Ton 0 A- l% C) N3 b: j
• 2001 Toyota Tundra . I- z1 c% Z5 g9 J4 G4 ?7 V	• 1989 Toyota 4Runner DLX 5-Passenger6 n3 s5 y9 e7 i" ~
• 2001 Toyota Corolla CE + k8 M V+ C% S8 m. j	• 1989 Toyota Tercel DLX3 K: i% q' m" U
• 2001 Toyota Tundra Limited) \|, K. W+ p, A+ b' t9 [	• 1989 Toyota Camry 0 C! O- \% G' F- J& y! G d. d' A9 i
• 2001 Toyota 4Runner SR5 5 W) i% G/ f6 Q* j- T. W	• 1989 Toyota Tercel , {/ [& a9 h, r Z, n& g& x9 a" ~
• 2001 Toyota Camry XLE ) \|- ^: F5 m/ c	• 1989 Toyota Camry DLX 9 \9 \; j( I: I( }$ F# l
• 2001 Toyota Sienna XLE 0 o" M$ i1 P2 m1 v	• 1989 Toyota Pickup 1 H5 S/ b1 \4 V5 F
• 2001 Toyota ECHO ' k; _# H! }! w. U+ L- Y L7 r	• 1989 Toyota Pickup SR5 # _* X1 e$ q6 g* l( Z' r
• 2001 Toyota Avalon XLS Y! x" G2 a) N e	• 1989 Toyota 4Runner SR5 5-Passenger , a1 L& T H- x7 T
• 2001 Toyota Camry CE - F" ? b$ \2 g" J9 e& S9 I# x	• 1989 Toyota Tercel EZ" g6 U* H- z4 q4 i; N( [
• 2001 Toyota Sequoia SR5 * ]) L% h% _% u0 `. Y	• 1988 Toyota Van Side-Panel , c3 o8 t! M" L: ?$ `
• 2001 Toyota Tacoma S-Runner " ~% i, a' L+ n. h( c1 ^	• 1988 Toyota Pickup DLX% t T( P7 F6 Q
• 2001 Toyota Celica GTS0 W4 ~( p- _3 a! I( Z( y8 H	• 1988 Toyota Tercel EZ' K. a% s2 d7 d- n
• 2001 Toyota Corolla S J( {7 O4 {3 j% ]7 ~, h	• 1988 Toyota Camry % }! A$ Q, ]0 r$ U( G2 b8 W* j
• 2001 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner2 w4 M9 w& L% h9 I7 y	• 1988 Toyota Pickup * h. `; ?8 L w; B! p
• 2001 Toyota Tundra SR5/ ^/ ]; x3 @8 T. Q7 d" [: k	• 1988 Toyota 4Runner DLX 2-Passenger; u' ^$ Z, ~$ }1 w4 b
• 2001 Toyota Sienna CE 9 z, j. Z/ e4 _. c1 X8 D	• 1988 Toyota Tercel DLX% Q4 C" z6 y8 A; R( d+ ]3 F
• 2001 Toyota Highlander & a& o0 w: ^: S- r5 Q	• 1988 Toyota Camry DLX All-Trac : J% U0 u" m# o) \|6 d
• 2001 Toyota 4Runner Limited $ \|7 r0 k2 G+ Y' l	• 1988 Toyota Van DX" }7 R, _$ d9 g! n, E" N
• 2000 Toyota ECHO 1 u+ C% N# Q9 E% e& c, B3 z! k- E	• 1988 Toyota 4Runner SR5 2-Passenger S' e3 k2 T8 v; A, U* y3 `
• 2000 Toyota Tacoma + s) M( t& I8 c. V$ z- N	• 1988 Toyota Tercel ! {5 Q7 n4 v, z5 \& ]+ k8 ~
• 2000 Toyota Celica GT1 W2 f' J1 @1 U2 ^+ E/ ]5 u4 K	• 1988 Toyota Camry LE% \6 Y% i! \|! u0 N3 g. J
• 2000 Toyota Corolla VE # _( [+ f9 U1 v+ @, Z. Y	• 1988 Toyota Van Side-Window) B; \|5 r9 _* j; }
• 2000 Toyota RAV4 9 A4 V: r" \|. t) T/ J% C	• 1988 Toyota Pickup 1 Ton ! `. I9 d, M) K0 S+ [* n
• 2000 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner0 Q+ l3 D# C- w# F	• 1988 Toyota Land Cruiser & \|/ N8 o" I0 [. Y1 J
• 2000 Toyota Tundra SR5 $ K0 ?- [8 P! O7 P( y' S+ T	• 1988 Toyota Pickup SR5 ' T) ]2 C0 V/ i6 q. q+ ^# z7 c: K3 R
• 2000 Toyota 4Runner Limited" A' o( d6 x6 a+ ?7 ^	• 1988 Toyota 4Runner SR5 5-Passenger( v5 T; V8 r! @2 T3 R4 C: T1 I
• 2000 Toyota Camry LE' a1 g, J4 Z. a+ G	• 1988 Toyota Tercel B1 m1 ~$ \9 w; l/ C9 z$ u! h3 ?
• 2000 Toyota Avalon XLS 0 e% }# ]9 x6 P+ W) X; F! V- P- S# B	• 1988 Toyota Camry LE All-Trac ( O$ d7 b/ F/ q( H5 o3 l
• 2000 Toyota Corolla LE8 c3 n& ]5 S, S Q$ o! C2 C	• 1988 Toyota 4Runner DLX 5-Passenger9 D5 X" R9 [: ~. {6 ?6 v
• 2000 Toyota Camry Solara . ~1 i4 Q# g. R! [3 l8 k	• 1988 Toyota Tercel SR5 ; S! b: R9 }, @* I
• 2000 Toyota Tacoma Limited 6 I$ n- V: J; d: E	• 1988 Toyota Camry DLX4 K' l& {" k K" K
• 2000 Toyota Tundra 4 V5 Z4 z. `/ v- A3 T) z	• 1988 Toyota Van LE & A9 `7 y) I& m, v& w
• 2000 Toyota Celica GTS) D5 B" O ~ Q! z8 @	• 1987 Toyota Land Cruiser + a% N1 t5 ]6 }
• 2000 Toyota Corolla CE' t1 v8 G5 e& u5 o4 v	• 1987 Toyota Tercel SR5. P+ H5 N# ^( [% b) ~0 k
• 2000 Toyota Tundra Limited ( O- l) V3 ^0 ^+ E) {	• 1987 Toyota Camry LE3 e# R3 h- V! E( `5 x2 u4 ~
• 2000 Toyota 4Runner ' O6 x$ m1 ~( \|0 p/ ^# c# Y- A	• 1987 Toyota Van DX1 I0 [' U6 K" V4 u7 c
• 2000 Toyota Camry XLE: r0 Q' a' o$ C	• 1987 Toyota Van Side-Window! R% K5 c+ i) }1 n# n8 w1 v
• 2000 Toyota 4Runner SR5 6 c0 E9 Z8 { F( p* w	• 1987 Toyota Pickup 1 Ton% V. _4 ?( x8 T5 \3 ~' b
• 2000 Toyota Camry CE3 e2 s, N. }7 A4 y	• 1987 Toyota Pickup SR5' m- u4 }& m0 K; `5 e5 S
• 2000 Toyota Avalon XL# B5 u# }3 f3 k- c* p	• 1987 Toyota Tercel DLX! f9 o9 {; L2 b y
• 1999 Toyota 4Runner 9 K1 N8 d( A; Y6 c	• 1987 Toyota Tercel & e5 l8 r* p8 m0 ~, D6 Z) M
• 1999 Toyota Camry XLE! F; a" D6 Z1 a	• 1987 Toyota Camry DLX, {3 X, q; A/ E
• 1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 o3 {. D4 j1 R; x: x, G	• 1987 Toyota Van LE% i% ?" \|. B) B- {" y$ ^4 l
• 1999 Toyota Camry CE ' m8 K6 x0 D( l2 q	• 1987 Toyota Van Side-Panel; ]: L- t, ~* J: J6 z6 D. s
• 1999 Toyota Sienna CE) I$ L# s, R) R2 d1 ~	• 1987 Toyota Pickup DLX 3 b& P) v0 k/ q$ [ h
• 1999 Toyota Tacoma , Z$ q- c. ]2 M1 y7 \|+ j% P$ h, n	• 1987 Toyota Pickup $ R4 X6 ?9 J! {1 M$ _5 ]
• 1999 Toyota Avalon XLS $ u5 F! A/ l( \# z	• 1986 Toyota Van LE, e1 _, W& b# W
• 1999 Toyota Corolla VE 4 r& ]- E' L+ ^$ H2 D1 j9 w6 C e	• 1986 Toyota Land Cruiser 0 v7 O; g, u8 U$ C d
• 1999 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner" ^* \) z# D/ D D6 n	• 1986 Toyota Van Side-Panel6 J+ f4 v! n. n( g
• 1999 Toyota RAV4 ; x2 q- ^! Q$ Z* }8 R* L% y	• 1986 Toyota Van DX : F' o" {! l$ N- x0 S1 X/ ]* H
• 1999 Toyota 4Runner Limited$ S# A9 W- z. S	• 1986 Toyota Van Side-Window + D9 }* g8 G6 Y1 L# u& u4 W \|/ g& X
• 1999 Toyota Camry LE 2 M J! T7 t/ S. x	• 1985 Toyota Van * D" v$ ]$ t8 Z" }5 f2 R0 f. S
• 1999 Toyota Sienna LE. ^& T6 C1 Q# g i	• 1985 Toyota Van LE* H. E. \* t/ i9 o) I' y
• 1999 Toyota Avalon XL6 s1 a" t4 }- s+ e) f0 ~	• 1985 Toyota Van DX' I( n/ a/ S- ~ v0 j
• 1999 Toyota Corolla LE& f2 }, E% W4 e9 j+ c	• 1985 Toyota Land Cruiser 8 D9 t3 a% R0 L; d" c5 P* B
• 1999 Toyota Tacoma Limited$ t% u* l2 t- s$ e5 E# k& {8 W# T	• 1984 Toyota Van DX6 \|1 `, H" E) f
• 1999 Toyota Corolla CE: {2 h9 J& F9 i1 Y' t. ~	• 1984 Toyota Supra 3 E+ ^, @4 z# `8 s6 `6 D
• 1998 Toyota Corolla LE / j8 t/ r: d; \|( G& W5 m, Q8 e	• 1984 Toyota Corolla DLX$ D6 S6 m7 z" r" a
• 1998 Toyota Sienna CE " q% s; Y! T5 u; U5 b. c" U3 c& ]& n	• 1984 Toyota Land Cruiser " w Y' u$ F7 m8 E) K: d) I- L3 h
• 1998 Toyota Tacoma Limited ' f7 Q8 N0 g4 K# u+ u- x8 v1 O	• 1984 Toyota Cressida 9 l4 H8 z0 u7 _$ a
• 1998 Toyota Avalon XLS* i- L; j0 ?' _4 @) T. ~	• 1984 Toyota Van 4 J7 U) \6 f; T- D
• 1998 Toyota Corolla CE( a& Z+ \|& e: M: [$ N1 T	• 1984 Toyota Camry LE c% ~8 [: q+ ~* d
• 1998 Toyota 4Runner 6 \6 M; Z3 t! i( B% t# ?; z, G1 ^# B	• 1984 Toyota Van LE4 q" U6 O6 A+ e; B- P; J7 `8 L: Z
• 1998 Toyota Camry XLE 0 C: c1 ^5 e/ ^2 { g	• 1984 Toyota Corolla LE% t5 W) c) S% ~0 M' n& p
• 1998 Toyota T-100 DX& F8 L' j% w/ A+ T' K' @( o; C	• 1984 Toyota Corolla SR5 , ~) a* D, h* k$ J9 R7 v8 F$ f9 U
• 1998 Toyota 4Runner SR5) \|8 O) G5 b, v	• 1984 Toyota Camry DLX % X7 }5 u8 B2 G; G
• 1998 Toyota Camry CE ! A. D3 V6 a! w9 [$ B	• 1983 Toyota Camry LE5 P: y$ _/ Z$ @6 m4 u
• 1998 Toyota Sienna LE2 y' r2 }' i& V	• 1983 Toyota Supra 9 E8 r3 g& }8 ~- d' F+ F
• 1998 Toyota Tacoma ; J0 ^7 v" z6 V	• 1983 Toyota Land Cruiser 7 ` }' \|0 a% r7 ]
• 1998 Toyota Avalon XL! U/ T. d* ]3 v/ \6 }& c	• 1983 Toyota Camry DLX + p# L; a z6 P# d8 g8 o% V
• 1998 Toyota Corolla VE6 p \|( o5 X* k9 B2 E3 V- B! D	• 1983 Toyota Cressida 3 N0 T: \2 A: z" ~, h
• 1998 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner( l# t/ I. U7 t5 I/ b& ]: z2 _ v	• 1982 Toyota Celica GT3 N1 c. Y+ C4 V" u* x
• 1998 Toyota T-100 + p6 r, s6 u/ c' o/ w2 g	• 1982 Toyota Land Cruiser * j* X9 y3 V9 E/ S6 x7 m7 V: Q
• 1998 Toyota 4Runner Limited 4 T! Y0 O6 k; Z, L- V	• 1982 Toyota Cressida : t/ z$ G. `& s) e- ^
• 1998 Toyota Camry LE. T$ f+ A% e/ d# S; V" B0 I	• 1982 Toyota Tercel DLX # K$ B& z9 C8 p3 h$ o7 J
• 1998 Toyota RAV4 + H% q) B% Z, c9 [, b# y% G	• 1982 Toyota Celica ST+ x* J% O& e3 F
• 1998 Toyota T-100 SR5 ; @% K- Y h+ A1 k2 J1 `: x4 p	• 1982 Toyota Tercel 4 N J j" \, ~! ^- Q; `
• 1997 Toyota Corolla DX % o" n* @3 O8 F: W! x( v; `- _	• 1982 Toyota Tercel SR5 5 o( w0 }# [# ^& Q+ M1 I8 g- d
• 1997 Toyota Tacoma 0 b2 E; q; X" F" b	• 1981 Toyota Tercel . A$ j# U5 E; O3 l% y
• 1997 Toyota Avalon XLS ! y1 d+ a/ s0 v9 y" t$ p	• 1981 Toyota Tercel SR5 2 i$ ?: K9 g2 d/ n$ O( i0 \|
• 1997 Toyota Previa DX % \|; c% Q' q6 o- m( r	• 1981 Toyota Land Cruiser , y) G/ }, k& J& \|8 ^0 v# {+ z
• 1997 Toyota T-100 ; d5 Y1 A. I4 E Y2 r! v& z	• 1981 Toyota Tercel DLX 9 u; C' i: m6 [& \|" w! u
• 1997 Toyota 4Runner Limited" T! U; u( P: C; v% Y0 u	• 1981 Toyota Cressida - S' K; @& @- U( Z
• 1997 Toyota Camry LE ! g+ S. X. H. w+ c/ h	• 1980 Toyota Celica GT ! \|+ R, O6 i; p2 S; o
• 1997 Toyota T-100 SR55 A; n/ d; O4 s* ~" n `	• 1980 Toyota Corolla ( h1 J, X& ?4 z& h6 n
• 1997 Toyota Corolla M) E6 T0 Q) q! y	• 1980 Toyota Land Cruiser : { ?8 D5 @ B# D6 a2 A8 x8 h
• 1997 Toyota Tacoma SR5 - w% x+ }9 Y& P, j	• 1980 Toyota Corolla Deluxe ; D' L: D0 \+ ? D0 m4 d
• 1997 Toyota Avalon XL # O- `- ]/ D; l7 a7 g! v	• 1980 Toyota Tercel DLX( s. F: f: s- U% D2 N- \|" I1 D9 }
• 1997 Toyota Corolla CE + I# C1 @3 y+ n5 H8 c: O	• 1980 Toyota Celica ST 8 }: x7 d! \! q/ R# h% c
• 1997 Toyota 4Runner / m' \|4 \|9 [3 u8 s% K1 p; C" `	• 1980 Toyota Corona Luxury8 f5 C; U4 E, x/ k& h1 G0 I: x
• 1997 Toyota Camry XLE / Q0 E! j# ?* B* v. g	• 1980 Toyota Tercel ; \|. s4 n! J, b2 {0 l
• 1997 Toyota Previa LE- s& Y$ U- x# P+ ?- J' I0 k	• 1980 Toyota Corolla SR5' ~& \|/ ?; M2 Y9 Y; K% y- w3 K' t
• 1997 Toyota T-100 DX! k2 J/ G( R8 E5 \" v	• 1980 Toyota Corona Deluxe ' t7 X# c- h: e9 X Z2 J; _, B
• 1997 Toyota Tercel CE8 A: b- z: u3 y+ {# u	• 1980 Toyota Tercel SR5 3 k9 X( ^, j2 ?* j3 {# N7 {
• 1997 Toyota 4Runner SR5$ _7 ^# j. d) ^% j6 b

yuanyuan · 发表于 2007-7-20 21:13

原帖由老杨于 2007-7-19 20:27 发表 * X0 n( ~* v; w( }6 M% k
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如果用recall去衡量车的话，下面这个牌子的recall更多：
+ n& \* ]* H2 K0 lToyota Recalls by Model• 2007 Toyota Camry Solara SLE
F, ?+ _( l& l7 S• 1997 Toyota Camry CE, t- }% k( `' L0 v& s" G/ k3 Q; ]- M
&#822 ...

佩服佩服，感谢老杨同志把某品牌从1980年到2007的若干型号的recall全部列举出来。老杨同志辛苦了。

由此可见，迷信某一品牌是要不得的。因为大家可以看到：

1）同一品牌，不同型号的不一样；
2）同一品牌、型号，不同年代的不一样；
3）如果有recall细节的话，甚至可以看出同一品牌、型号、年代，不同产地的不一样。

补充一句，请大家也不要迷信单一参数，如Recall数量。汽车不仅仅是四个轮子，也不仅仅是技术参数，更没有十全十美的车。

最重要的是明白自己的期望值，多比比，多看看，后悔的机会就少很多。

当然，咨询老杨这样有知识，有经验的好同志，是非常必要的。

作为小小群众，我相信杨冒号会排除品牌偏见，推荐给您一款最适合您的爱车。

嘉士伯 · 发表于 2007-7-23 10:13

原帖由 yuanyuan 于 2007-7-19 19:33 发表
3 c5 }0 s# h4 ^April 12, 2007, the New York Times reported that Ford is recalling more than 500,000 Escape sport-utility vehicles after 50 reports of engine fires caused by corroded brakes.

Thanks for the information!

老杨 · 发表于 2007-7-23 13:15

原帖由 yuanyuan 于 2007-7-20 22:13 发表
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% S2 L; |1 D9 }9 Y* n1 l佩服佩服，感谢老杨同志把某品牌从1980年到2007的若干型号的recall全部列举出来。老杨同志辛苦了。- A- R' ^6 L' q5 |& n2 i" ]
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由此可见，迷信某一品牌是要不得的。因为大家可以看到：' ^) ~+ b; X0 l2 S# p" O
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1）同一品牌，不同型号的不一样；
3 b3 Q! e( N  R6 a0 }2）同 ...

让您见笑了，我不过是从您提供的网址里面copy过来一些而已。

meilin · 发表于 2007-8-31 05:46

实用的好帖
所谓“越辨越明”啊。

楼主。

老杨。

松杉 · 发表于 2007-8-31 20:34

这个问题还用争论吗？看看销量排行不就全明白了嘛！

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