合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
  W$ O. ~  d9 a/ x3 N: {8 U嗯，很多牛人。的确是。

. F3 E4 C5 r/ ~$ E' `& O当然，也有混的啦

7 A2 w( Q9 o6 u" G; ]7 e我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

( i) v8 i& j0 t7 n& T9 B1 J+ v那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
; H' X& F) I/ r7 P6 L) wcard, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
# d2 B+ t- _; t2 N还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。
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5 M, e( P/ u5 p5 y; R: \* o你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
3 K+ ^& S/ {: x! TNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

' _# d0 O2 Z1 L+ T9 T5 E2 ?其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
1 b0 r. q, J% T+ i0 b6 Q6 t其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

' c$ {; C7 U' S7 A7 h4 Ono 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
: ~8 c7 _: X/ B5 N# C* Z8 MTomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
8 X6 Q* O# ?: [: nask insurance company pay, no me!
$ l% ]0 \+ g- _( {$ k2 h" sWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it i ...

% l4 ~3 |, e, ]( b% j% R, [' V你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
, F( y: t; M/ K; |6 v9 q- @你还是没有理解我的话.
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, w- I3 T* z/ o& \4 DContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

( y! f9 m7 \! ?$ s! ^% Bclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
. a9 @+ L6 b; R0 ~every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
6 }5 g& d$ V2 Jaccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
# C/ t7 s; G) ]7 R7 o2 rhow long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

' F1 M8 W! z/ _- P( H, Z; NContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
7 |2 t& J& S3 q0 I# H四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

& z3 o) k" r8 s: P姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
9 ]4 `! t% N% W& ?% f4 r# J# i10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
3 P* H0 N2 g6 _5 W0 P! [  H  N5 w4 {Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
$ }$ E2 S% D1 }0 Y: R5 ]" DThanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
6 E3 [9 f8 g1 w1 q5 L5 @4 d* x四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.

洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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8 N6 d) L9 P- o: p2 j; k( S象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
1 l% G) y. l/ HI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
! j% \; N% R5 V8 m9 Zthe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
( S& y$ @0 _9 ]. CTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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. ?1 Q( x/ m& b! s0 ^6 d合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
0 d8 @0 ^  k4 ?# x1 X/ q9 C我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
% o6 ]; p% F0 T  n: R这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
$ i: C: t7 _: q6 m. s+ m% k世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
, `8 v. d0 }. I6 w/ X& u当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
( d% g! m$ j: n6 O* |because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please

6 c; y* z; D* @; D* TDental Benefits Summary:
' P& J8 O! G5 O3 L( f# [! uBenefit Type         Payable At
3 T4 u1 S3 H+ _: M  u+ Y- T       
Routine               
/ y& Z3 W& l  y4 s        Basic                 100%
5 m% _$ J: P3 D7 a9 e        Endodontics                 100%
) ^' s4 C0 w0 Y' k        Periodontics                 100%
( T3 d' s, S* _9 c  W) h3 r        Preventative                 100%
       
        Global Medical Assistance         Covered

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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
9 O$ ~8 t/ h% c8 K4 P3 pThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
2 B& J( v% t( X& l7 T" U/ Abecause  ...

谢谢你啊.
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( u/ v" H( C8 d) p" j还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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' S3 i" @* A; e9 C9 s$ N好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.

5 R6 X# V# n: z1 A至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

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中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

0 @4 r8 n4 [. x, B  f4 a! r所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
$ p4 [# x/ ?3 l6 H! A: p成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
9 b" L6 [! q  [+ c1 F  L谢谢你啊.
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' O' |) G+ K% D' K+ B3 M% {还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

I will, thanks!
/ e$ T/ R% O$ M1 {6 Y0 VI was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
management.