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合同工和正式工,如果最后收入相等,工资比例应该是多少?

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
$ P+ E) X3 k# \: K嗯,很多牛人。的确是。/ E) M% w5 w9 o
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当然,也有混的啦
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我看到的合同工还都有些本事,大小之分,混子还没看到过。
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31 ' E: E8 m3 T- s1 U- m- J) \4 l
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

3 l) {7 F# D) I7 I那么你是没有试用期吗?
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance* i7 K# T, k- @& }2 f! z9 k, X
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
9 R+ L( z3 y; N0 s5 I. dI will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
' d& z+ |5 ~& J* n7 Nme these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
& G4 `" ^% m( R0 `6 `: d还有心态,运气。而往往心态会影响运气。: ^$ O# R/ R" J4 L0 G, P! ]' F% E) H" B

9 V2 a' p: f( w* I; x7 D你这里说的能力,不光是技能方面的能力,更重要的是EQ的能力 ...
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In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51 ( X# J: ^- y# E2 O, [% ?, s
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

, W9 e) p! d( X+ {其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33 7 l7 X  m- S2 k0 Y; u
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

; W& j/ W0 `( _' vno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
) m" n/ g9 K5 V" E7 YI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.9 Z2 K. u# w5 T) I% ^, v
Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,& `0 k: }. c8 P# o
ask insurance company pay, no me!
5 a& r( T5 X: N8 ]Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
自己做,啥都没有的路过!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
9 |+ z  r7 Y; D2 ]$ U5 Gno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
1 B6 S2 J2 s1 J/ GI like vwry much, it i ...
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你还是没有理解我的话.  s6 Z+ k9 k8 X

0 h6 U7 d& E( P' v; WContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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$ J5 w8 V7 Y6 z$ e# ~* ~- M而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 3 P7 |4 f& Q% W* H. [% w0 z
你还是没有理解我的话.. i1 T- Z7 H4 c, `3 a

) Z; R( ]. e+ ]% @" q# [5 fContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

. J5 Z" s( B6 I7 ]/ ?8 S3 wclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth0 U+ u; _8 R. h% H4 j5 R8 H
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
' B' C( i$ s! l/ }! ]accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.7 j( p) m  l- i& b: Z
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.% w; k3 c1 u: s: g3 L
how long, I don't know.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 , m# `* A/ o  E
你还是没有理解我的话." A% e/ A! l- k* C9 O+ u1 W

) _& @9 @$ ?+ W2 K$ S# fContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
" Y; h! _% P6 i+ c( h; W四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

& T! b: D+ P2 J% L4 ?" b; C, M姐姐的这种情况,不适合做CONTRACTOR,真的!
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace- E4 d0 x+ |/ P4 C" D" h
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer7 K! p2 ?) ], n+ Y- H: V* T
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,# C$ ]( r7 j! X7 y0 R# ?% [4 Y1 T! @
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario. 6 z/ [: j8 `$ ?; F0 z
10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.9 E2 {. _7 ]9 m' K4 o8 w* R
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
6 J) B5 C; M8 \6 N/ gThanks! lovely small girl!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 5 f2 D  A8 q! D8 g
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

( s. m4 A, b8 Q9 ~' }我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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3 ~# i! t  a! V' b' u" l$ I洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.8 B& K2 c) i! X' n4 f) _3 _1 Q- S
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象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
$ G' l( r/ w: L5 o2 ]) d4 v7 JI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
* |2 `2 _: M/ Y$ ?9 _! N% bthe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
, P) O# w+ _0 \8 `1 K9 K0 yTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.
大型搬家
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 量子风水 于 2013-3-16 14:57 编辑 0 F, D' E+ d9 E) }# X. N
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合同工与非合同工,是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高,又不等钱用,合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一,已经到退休年龄,他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了,偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公,用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
$ n8 Z- u$ D9 D我在卡城的同事,也是喜欢做contractor,他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’,工资都不低于10万一年。' ]1 B, k) t$ U) ?# }* R2 l
这与他的职业性质有关,他是做C#之类高级程序研发,这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他,我的专业面窄,是不宜做contractor,只能先后senior engineer/lead努力,以后再图其他。
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:50 | 显示全部楼层
同时与marie一样,在专业领域有相似成功,也曾经长期单身的女性,但即有不同的处世方式,并且应用得成功,而且福泽下一代,这种类型的女性,还是值得佩服与学习。
" Z4 I: @( I/ b2 o$ j印象深的一次,是她家邻居有个冷气机,夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家,而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然,邻居并非有意,这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功,邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉,噪音就很小,而夏天热天也没有几天,所以不伤和气。
% D, [5 c; i: L* F8 W1 W2 P世界不是你一个人的,即使是毛公这样的政治家,有杀子之仇恨的美国,都要建交,所以适当使用妥协,也是一种很好的途径。3 _4 v  L$ @2 k1 h
当生活中没有那么多纷争时,人生病的机会就少。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
本帖最后由 JoyceAccSG 于 2013-3-16 22:02 编辑
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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 . J9 c. s* _+ `3 G, V
你还是没有理解我的话.
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4 ^8 \. x9 M* P8 X1 P3 V& i# i+ sContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
2 i7 K. a, C% J8 u" m% u0 @9 ybecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please' j- b% a/ c2 W9 z( _+ g7 U- q3 b  P; J

# Z8 L, n/ V5 f. \Dental Benefits Summary:
; g, H: a3 Y8 e0 ^Benefit Type         Payable At* I2 T* y7 s: V+ J
       
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# X* \6 `% K9 r( l# q" O        Basic                 100%4 ?; v( N4 C7 [' Q  p9 R
        Endodontics                 100%
) L% _, \* v$ a7 a& k$ t        Periodontics                 100%
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        Global Medical Assistance         Covered: w7 r9 X4 Z; _: a) z
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asked and deleted.
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-16 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56 + ~) \$ J+ Q  P* {9 x* Z! K6 B
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
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' X6 l- v8 o9 G' H谢谢你啊.2 a% L# o7 y/ ?$ y1 ]! X1 @7 R
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.9 C$ o/ |( ]- f) ]  p
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好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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( e. B- c- w) s8 P2 L至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
中国人口是13亿,而加拿大是3千万,这种差异,使得在加拿大,有几十人的公司,就是中型公司了;有几个工程师的团队,就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上,不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。
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  ]2 C" |% S4 }  T所以,在这里,如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候,可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目;如果再联系另一家,就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径,这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
/ f: {! Z4 f- c9 a0 S9 ]& s" r# h成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件,不但有两个或以上的程序员,而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员,从而可能产生能量聚合,这就当然向这个方向努力。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20 , h) u  k( u/ a
谢谢你啊.) K. u( s% M3 k, @# B

/ H7 H" `: U% p+ b* G; \还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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I will, thanks!
! S! ^' M# A5 W9 q6 Y5 {" n/ AI was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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