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合同工和正式工,如果最后收入相等,工资比例应该是多少?

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鲜花(345) 鸡蛋(0)
 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
8 s  E% B7 I2 O6 r  _1 r嗯,很多牛人。的确是。2 s- M' b2 L! i$ ]/ W
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当然,也有混的啦
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我看到的合同工还都有些本事,大小之分,混子还没看到过。
鲜花(345) 鸡蛋(0)
 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
4 ~# `3 b: F0 v6 Y+ I% i  Umy landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...
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那么你是没有试用期吗?
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance& G5 i( k& s5 h3 B$ U! f3 ~* y+ Z) S
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
3 W6 d9 J5 y! r+ G+ W. @I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
# t2 _  H2 D2 \. O# C. S9 z% _me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
# E0 M  G" r& E5 A还有心态,运气。而往往心态会影响运气。7 \3 F5 t$ s* Y
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你这里说的能力,不光是技能方面的能力,更重要的是EQ的能力 ...
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In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
; E  B1 v% `1 K7 V0 n& g  u/ s* O9 _Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...
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其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33 , z' V+ H# L6 j+ @
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

2 i5 i4 l% y1 K' g' X; vno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,; {" K2 w$ H- n
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.  r" P' |8 A: M: c
Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
; _# J$ w# [$ }) K1 eask insurance company pay, no me!
/ j  e6 a9 k* [8 @. ~. tWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
自己做,啥都没有的路过!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
& n- ?/ P6 l, [$ ~# d4 V  Pno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,, h5 S! K8 n7 Y6 S9 A0 ?9 f/ c& E
I like vwry much, it i ...
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你还是没有理解我的话.. E; h8 y( O; F6 t6 Q" J
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?$ T, X( W1 P- ], g# I3 V5 H

/ }; r* W& y  G  h2 J9 @象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 2 l; J4 o' n6 c
你还是没有理解我的话.  I% L7 M$ k% F% A- A3 s: U

# O' c+ v% U3 Q4 d8 iContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth9 z" E; A8 s, }, ~8 Q# T' E" c
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
. k2 B  g& R5 z3 F0 Faccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.' Y4 R/ {( R# M9 N3 ]/ C
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.5 V# }/ q% Q* @# H4 V* Z
how long, I don't know.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
" V& h& h! k+ U7 W9 i你还是没有理解我的话.
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5 ]7 R/ M" y, eContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

0 U, R! ?0 P" M四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 ; e2 U1 \" d' a- P7 Z  A
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

" a( q% o1 l9 Y4 b2 G, v+ \姐姐的这种情况,不适合做CONTRACTOR,真的!
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
4 `, [4 A; u, `# Yarea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer& ^, c7 O" K) `+ P+ V7 |, D" _/ Z' g
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,9 g- p7 C) U1 b7 t) Q
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario. 2 C2 L5 v) G1 g0 m' U3 o# E
10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
! G( M% i' r7 o2 `$ nNow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)0 c9 J6 W! \! h( k- l+ L
Thanks! lovely small girl!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 5 T0 m1 N$ h1 s* D9 F
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...
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我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.6 n7 r* m2 u" K2 s. E

1 B) |* z8 ]+ P洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.# _+ W* [  a8 ~. \

  Z9 s6 Y' e; f象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.
大型搬家
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.7 d$ E  D! J3 E; h: c" K
I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose2 O2 R" O) F8 C' f) K# g1 p
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
) }3 z0 q+ d; z% p( |Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 量子风水 于 2013-3-16 14:57 编辑
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9 E9 p5 ^7 Y6 A合同工与非合同工,是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高,又不等钱用,合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一,已经到退休年龄,他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了,偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公,用网络通过安全卡来做测试。1 b# G4 _5 n' }7 K5 g, s8 }
我在卡城的同事,也是喜欢做contractor,他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’,工资都不低于10万一年。; S7 Z$ E  H) P  r# F* i" o" z3 E
这与他的职业性质有关,他是做C#之类高级程序研发,这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他,我的专业面窄,是不宜做contractor,只能先后senior engineer/lead努力,以后再图其他。
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:50 | 显示全部楼层
同时与marie一样,在专业领域有相似成功,也曾经长期单身的女性,但即有不同的处世方式,并且应用得成功,而且福泽下一代,这种类型的女性,还是值得佩服与学习。' T( h& m! }, d! A4 A
印象深的一次,是她家邻居有个冷气机,夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家,而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然,邻居并非有意,这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功,邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉,噪音就很小,而夏天热天也没有几天,所以不伤和气。" Y! h" r3 e- S  ~8 M  n
世界不是你一个人的,即使是毛公这样的政治家,有杀子之仇恨的美国,都要建交,所以适当使用妥协,也是一种很好的途径。/ x9 \2 B4 o- N5 Y/ Z
当生活中没有那么多纷争时,人生病的机会就少。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
本帖最后由 JoyceAccSG 于 2013-3-16 22:02 编辑
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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 - v2 O; Y( p1 h- U+ B8 d
你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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0 Y4 N: i6 F- {/ ?$ ZThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
- s9 j! ^' w/ ~! Vbecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please4 h$ l2 B! b& N( @, V
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Dental Benefits Summary:
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Routine               
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        Endodontics                 100%! a# V+ W, [# f/ I* z/ F, C+ e
        Periodontics                 100%2 z; G' a, ^2 A7 @' }: w* M
        Preventative                 100%6 g! b* I+ s7 O& Y4 U. `' K- {+ Z
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        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-16 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56 ( [7 L' Z  M7 J9 b; O: s
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
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- b' V+ C+ `9 q: s) a谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.7 z* J) [0 x; [" K  u6 v( \1 B

6 D4 U  ^3 N. k- ?& r8 |% `" i# D# Y9 q好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.! E/ m) A- y! T! |4 y% Q1 h! Y1 d) Q# m
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
中国人口是13亿,而加拿大是3千万,这种差异,使得在加拿大,有几十人的公司,就是中型公司了;有几个工程师的团队,就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上,不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。
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5 z  N- ]" f; B所以,在这里,如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候,可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目;如果再联系另一家,就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径,这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。% R- n* c+ ^2 `
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件,不但有两个或以上的程序员,而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员,从而可能产生能量聚合,这就当然向这个方向努力。
大型搬家
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20 9 c( }% s& G, g
谢谢你啊." f6 H9 _+ l9 ~& F) z" h  g! u/ f
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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