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合同工和正式工,如果最后收入相等,工资比例应该是多少?

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
: G1 {* @, W& n* w. I8 e6 C4 j嗯,很多牛人。的确是。
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- m( J& Y/ G. `& i8 R0 `/ k当然,也有混的啦
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我看到的合同工还都有些本事,大小之分,混子还没看到过。
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31 $ v6 Q$ V& N8 z2 y  p  n/ I
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...
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那么你是没有试用期吗?
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance: f6 I* C4 q; |8 K7 n9 l. \
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
) _" Q1 X3 {; _, `4 II will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave9 p0 m2 Y% c5 f1 V3 e% [& w
me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32 * @+ m+ m5 e' C/ y$ k
还有心态,运气。而往往心态会影响运气。1 s/ C8 W. z# v! @! [' M( E
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你这里说的能力,不光是技能方面的能力,更重要的是EQ的能力 ...
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In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
: G5 ?5 ?& i' t1 F8 Y6 ANow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

) f/ Y2 i& D$ i其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33 : _; Q; [4 L5 `. I
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

0 K5 ~: j1 q0 ~1 S4 O- ~2 Nno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,  J( b* d& p* W, R6 p+ x
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
, J  s8 n% ^, F3 c& Y9 y' c2 ZTomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
: y( ]5 g* d+ F+ ^6 @ask insurance company pay, no me! " L) J# L( y+ d0 g5 n. Y$ F0 [
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
自己做,啥都没有的路过!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43 # U: x( @! [: V1 J2 b$ Y  E1 k$ E" y
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,* ~- P2 A( M- k& ]
I like vwry much, it i ...

* X# V6 |6 ]1 e你还是没有理解我的话.& Q" N( S9 L# B" F7 z

" A  U6 }, `* aContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.$ h2 w% ?/ X" q4 a8 W$ K, T
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而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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, \" @9 V5 L4 {# d象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.
理袁律师事务所
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 7 ]0 d4 X: b5 |% A& F4 e5 k' j9 i1 I% G
你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
7 ]% y0 `3 ~* yevery 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
( C* c+ e% T9 r& y* yaccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy." d& c: y& K$ \, T/ k! c- ^
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.) b0 {* j* j. ~, Q' a  p: G
how long, I don't know.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 2 H/ Y2 z' |' N4 m5 C' v
你还是没有理解我的话.
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8 m' m& o9 G, `1 ?* }5 q( Y! ?Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

4 C+ n1 k: h( J/ ]" T6 h+ w- }四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
3 I6 ?+ c/ T+ o. c1 `6 }2 o四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

1 N& Y& u5 Y9 T+ M: P7 O# G姐姐的这种情况,不适合做CONTRACTOR,真的!
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace& f! Z, j7 }$ k, L2 U+ ^
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer1 E6 z8 s& n. T* m5 ?* @$ A
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
1 w* v3 |  [" \9 [% m* S: ?come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
1 d1 _0 ~7 a2 G* _10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
' F2 x: d; ~; _$ r# ^Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
4 R6 t# x8 a' ?6 r2 i! aThanks! lovely small girl!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 0 H# a: {3 N: q
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

" T$ l2 o: ]6 ^  I, T0 L9 p我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.; T! f, p9 ?3 N# G

. U& `: W8 {( ^5 d( c, h+ z5 D- D洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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" l/ T3 p6 u" \象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
! G, [  D" F, \5 E2 _I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose# x* i& q- H" z0 l, j
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
& \" |; l% I  m& W3 R% fTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 量子风水 于 2013-3-16 14:57 编辑 2 H! b+ E8 O4 T6 p* t) q$ B7 j

  `/ ?* \5 R5 S1 _' C合同工与非合同工,是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高,又不等钱用,合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一,已经到退休年龄,他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了,偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公,用网络通过安全卡来做测试。3 r2 M1 a3 A: Q/ ^8 Q
我在卡城的同事,也是喜欢做contractor,他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’,工资都不低于10万一年。* G$ x" O& W7 o. ~7 t" _8 j/ M
这与他的职业性质有关,他是做C#之类高级程序研发,这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他,我的专业面窄,是不宜做contractor,只能先后senior engineer/lead努力,以后再图其他。
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:50 | 显示全部楼层
同时与marie一样,在专业领域有相似成功,也曾经长期单身的女性,但即有不同的处世方式,并且应用得成功,而且福泽下一代,这种类型的女性,还是值得佩服与学习。
1 J5 x3 E( v# I9 V) Q) ~# Y3 z+ Q/ [印象深的一次,是她家邻居有个冷气机,夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家,而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然,邻居并非有意,这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功,邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉,噪音就很小,而夏天热天也没有几天,所以不伤和气。
# V% w# V3 L6 ~( T8 d* B' [3 Y世界不是你一个人的,即使是毛公这样的政治家,有杀子之仇恨的美国,都要建交,所以适当使用妥协,也是一种很好的途径。2 W. f8 ?9 o' d
当生活中没有那么多纷争时,人生病的机会就少。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
本帖最后由 JoyceAccSG 于 2013-3-16 22:02 编辑
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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
  Z% B) F& |9 Y6 O1 c, t3 g" j你还是没有理解我的话.
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: r/ M& W1 P0 A  Y0 X3 b; HContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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% F. j: ?0 w1 RThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,4 k) h5 p  g: B  Y
because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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* s$ [" [5 l( j2 j2 sDental Benefits Summary:
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Routine                / K0 P( D1 h8 O' H5 Y# T$ o
        Basic                 100%
5 ]! w- w" M) n: b        Endodontics                 100%
7 c, @! P  n) j+ `, y) J        Periodontics                 100%
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# g/ V, D" }, i% C. Y        Global Medical Assistance         Covered# v1 g% w1 g+ p: ~

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鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-16 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56 0 h2 M& ?% }% c6 [  r5 r+ M: B
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,+ O' W  |9 @- p4 p
because  ...
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谢谢你啊.& d# }" g: D% q+ c5 J* }

, [! r7 n3 G# N; i# f* U; {, _还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
中国人口是13亿,而加拿大是3千万,这种差异,使得在加拿大,有几十人的公司,就是中型公司了;有几个工程师的团队,就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上,不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。" e& @) j* P, e

* Z, X' y) M& H/ ]! U% C5 ^) \所以,在这里,如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候,可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目;如果再联系另一家,就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径,这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。: q/ ?$ N8 e1 \1 O" s
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件,不但有两个或以上的程序员,而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员,从而可能产生能量聚合,这就当然向这个方向努力。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20 ( @4 N; x3 @5 r; o5 x9 h
谢谢你啊.$ T6 l  |& s8 ^1 p9 I9 q+ j' O
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

' y  d2 p, V2 |3 r) QI will, thanks!
2 t- Z% i% D. F& ^I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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