关于鸭子湖: Duck Lake or Goose Lake

arbo

那天路过鸭子湖，我说我们中国人叫 Hawrelak Park为鸭子湖。朋友问为什么。我开玩笑说，我们中国人不会发那个名字的音。
, H, ^" }% }5 h朋友说，你也发不好 Duck Lake 的音。
- r6 ]( D5 z9 v/ J+ V# {# Q* O我想了想，是的。下次改叫 Goose Lake。

伊人

好

suvescape

Goose 中的oo,就一定能发好么?

arbo

I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
8 ]* A2 g& O5 Y+ o  a$ LI am working on it now, any suggestions?

billzhao

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 14:03
I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
) {3 H6 S7 S! X3 C4 P( TI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

# q0 u& j6 M  a( |% z& p0 Jwhich sound?
7 l/ v9 C$ b& b' C8 E. Fd or u

arbo

Come on, I am not an Indian.

billzhao

hehe, right, Indians cannot say d

jsw

我的理解是：
再复杂的读音，你把他标好后，先一个音节一个音节的分开读，然后连起来读。
9 J8 V) M% W; D7 a8 k! ~- M等到你觉得整个单词读得正确了，就重复读个100遍。这样应该能解决了。
3 j0 r4 k; U  S3 l+ e如果一次不行，你就每天找个时间练。可以把那个音标贴在门上或放在你电脑前... 就像卖油翁那样。。。

Crisis

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arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
/ N1 N9 W8 y- R2 ~  W* B- E! `I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

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& Z2 t. q' \- u: n5 Z: d, j如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出现的元音－－－所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！
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如何发？有两种方法供参考，如下：
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１、在面部肌肉放松，口腔肌肉包括舌头也放松的情况下，要么用手使劲捏自己勃子的喉结处（女性请参考男性的相关位置），直到自己实在忍受不住了，而发出声音，要么，用自己的拳头对准胸部使劲捶打一下，很意外地发出来的声音，就象了。

: Q1 F+ L$ x6 F, g- L% A２、或者，可以参考当地人发CANADA时的尾音－－－原音a，将其应用到所有单词中的同样发音中

' H- X6 P6 C6 J4 d9 g% {/ b0 i& j3. 最后，谁给suvescape扔鸡蛋了？人家一片好心，却被误解。赶紧送鲜花补上吧。suvescape是对的，oo的音其实更难发，很多人尤其是同胞以为发对了，其实与正确的发音还相差甚远－－－正如咱以前那样。

arbo

I think they might be different. Duck is a stressed vowel.
1 u( I; H: b( B  S8 k/ \5 uCanada 的尾音－－－原音a is schwa.
Can you explain?

arbo

I checked it again. You are right: it is also a schwa.

arbo

One useful link: http://www.pronuncian.com/Lessons/Default.aspx?Lesson=98

jsw

Crisis 发表于 2012-3-15 08:38
如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出 ...

6 q0 ~3 ]' _6 h" b<所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！>

Crisis: 这几个元音字母非重读的音是/&#601;/吧。
" t9 M0 i: ]: e- ?* G　　　当然，赖哥似乎是把它和/&#652;/等同的。我个人有点怀疑。
　　　
　　　我个人觉得duck还是应该读成/d&#652;k/,而不是/d&#601;k/，就像bus应该读成/b&#652;s/而不是/b&#601;s/......
         当然，很多人分别读成/dak/,/bas/，这样就失去了应有的“声音往下压，短促”的韵味了，给人一种“拖沓”的声音感觉。(中文双引号中内容只是我个人的发音体会的描述。)

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
; ?9 j# d# i1 Q' C% mI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
2 B; |1 e; h7 t. DI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

$ ]1 n: S( B. x# u能把oo发对很不容易呀。
2 \3 `! Y* s' A我以前就分不清full和fool，像云吞有个帖子里说得那样。

duck的u发不准，是不是和Arbo的方言背景有关？不是你老家在那个区域......

arbo

To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
I think my local dialect doesn't interfere with my English. The problem is the British accent.

月如钩

Hawrelak的音标是什么？

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-3-16 09:54
2 }- B7 j2 v, n- [. ATo JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
; c- I- B+ T0 D% y" `3 w6 G* |I think my local dialect doesn't ...

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( ]4 J! s! }& x7 }8 gFurther, those who can speak more than one dialect are better able to produce sounds in a foreign language. I learned that from a linguistics book written by 桂灿昆.

月如钩

http://www.box.com/s/838e14f49f4d1c390324
这个发音对吗？

arbo

I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

月如钩

arbo 发表于 2012-3-19 17:13
& [- \6 O- ?9 ?; v0 i% lI don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

7 m9 W( ?% S0 E) h1 |. _Thanks! Just google it and got such one as follows,
) y3 N0 m8 l4 b7 OI believe it's HAV-ri-lak. The name is Ukranian. It is often transliterated into English with a "v," not a "w." (William Hawrelak was mayor of Edmonton in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s.)
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2093383
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