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合同工和正式工,如果最后收入相等,工资比例应该是多少?

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
) O6 y+ f0 z+ V1 ?: v2 _, `# O嗯,很多牛人。的确是。- x$ c) U# r2 d! ^

" B- q$ j# C$ h3 B9 [% H6 [6 C当然,也有混的啦

+ ^# G) ~* D$ ~) p我看到的合同工还都有些本事,大小之分,混子还没看到过。
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
: M5 @. D" A( ~& [my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...
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那么你是没有试用期吗?
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance  ^( t* t" L6 p3 u/ S
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,% D) j0 N$ Y+ a5 p" q, v; j9 C
I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave3 G$ l; F7 u) L( A
me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32 8 f/ Z! y& z0 D$ V
还有心态,运气。而往往心态会影响运气。- P1 _& g" e: B! ]: ~

, G3 }* x8 U1 ^# {' R0 C' r1 `; y你这里说的能力,不光是技能方面的能力,更重要的是EQ的能力 ...
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In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51 3 t$ }+ |0 k7 s; F
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...
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其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
; |7 ]; O4 b0 L# \其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

  V) v  {; G. Q" T+ }$ [/ b) m9 \no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
" }; \. M# D1 P' |2 W6 S# xI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
. r; h( _0 v" C: X# }; tTomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
0 m' d& h: E9 o" pask insurance company pay, no me! 4 q% z$ b# |% v6 r6 X7 B: S& [+ m' Q! `
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
自己做,啥都没有的路过!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43 & v5 [+ I3 n0 }
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
. S, F& p& s' W1 zI like vwry much, it i ...
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你还是没有理解我的话.7 k: @# X) C3 P
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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4 i2 z$ G0 U& N# D$ P而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?! V8 Z: l( Q1 S* v. G0 r  R2 U

/ C& U1 b2 [3 Y象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 2 _' g; S0 \; }3 D7 I' w9 d* j
你还是没有理解我的话.4 S# G: S6 D7 m9 y

/ E7 U8 f* G& p/ BContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth$ T5 M  I% M. d; I/ p7 W+ D
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened4 L% a  L& ^, x$ f+ Q' ~
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
1 y4 c% _% k0 P* NIn the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.5 A- S; G& j! o; S2 A' N9 b) a
how long, I don't know.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 ; q2 W) E7 o" ?
你还是没有理解我的话.* y4 M9 Y8 y6 ]4 p3 Q8 d. u
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 5 C9 m1 \- K# F, V2 w% M( e* S) z
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...
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姐姐的这种情况,不适合做CONTRACTOR,真的!
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace/ x5 d' b4 y: W! X1 d' C
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer1 d( B# e7 N1 i. i9 U
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then," ]! k7 ], V  [, q) l
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
/ W: O/ w3 A: m3 m1 W3 G1 S10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
* a* _* F4 P+ B* P0 vNow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)3 E5 O" f9 ]) e. f6 {* _! L! p2 p  j
Thanks! lovely small girl!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 ) W4 h% r. }$ s* x0 p! J' X
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

8 q8 _& O2 y- i2 c6 D. x我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.7 t7 N' U) J, f# E7 b# q

- ]. K3 v7 e7 T! T# d$ W# V, s1 J洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.6 }/ ^9 e7 T. l7 ?$ F
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象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
5 [$ e) x) C+ N3 a1 B3 b& OI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose# P. Z4 t; U3 E) B# G
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving8 q* r! Y7 Z% R" J5 K" B
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 量子风水 于 2013-3-16 14:57 编辑 . u8 r$ A, ^0 o* X) b

* G9 u& Y. n; e7 u合同工与非合同工,是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高,又不等钱用,合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一,已经到退休年龄,他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了,偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公,用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
& ?, N  b5 y* s5 x# C# i我在卡城的同事,也是喜欢做contractor,他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’,工资都不低于10万一年。. R  [4 w  K. R  v
这与他的职业性质有关,他是做C#之类高级程序研发,这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他,我的专业面窄,是不宜做contractor,只能先后senior engineer/lead努力,以后再图其他。
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:50 | 显示全部楼层
同时与marie一样,在专业领域有相似成功,也曾经长期单身的女性,但即有不同的处世方式,并且应用得成功,而且福泽下一代,这种类型的女性,还是值得佩服与学习。8 x0 }" i5 m" P
印象深的一次,是她家邻居有个冷气机,夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家,而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然,邻居并非有意,这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功,邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉,噪音就很小,而夏天热天也没有几天,所以不伤和气。, ^* A" j' `3 v9 [$ D  r/ o
世界不是你一个人的,即使是毛公这样的政治家,有杀子之仇恨的美国,都要建交,所以适当使用妥协,也是一种很好的途径。
' s) N& c" z3 X9 x' O7 A" X当生活中没有那么多纷争时,人生病的机会就少。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
本帖最后由 JoyceAccSG 于 2013-3-16 22:02 编辑 ; W3 Z5 j9 u1 G. {6 m
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 4 |6 r& _7 t& ]
你还是没有理解我的话.# n4 r' y; X2 i+ q

6 E& f- ~& R; w4 b; UContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
6 D, O7 f9 O2 f- b$ Xbecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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Dental Benefits Summary:
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Routine               
7 l) V5 Z3 s) y6 v% ]5 J& D        Basic                 100%
$ I5 H) {  M2 T- ~( `3 g( Y" D        Endodontics                 100%
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        Preventative                 100%
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        Global Medical Assistance         Covered3 m3 q- ]* [$ a# _+ P  g# k

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鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-16 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56 : E6 v7 x$ N+ h, s
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,7 W+ l7 t) Z* ~( q
because  ...
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谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要./ k+ K8 q( u) X
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好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.2 ~6 o) I0 U0 s4 y

$ Y' Q' B. H" q2 T1 F  j至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
中国人口是13亿,而加拿大是3千万,这种差异,使得在加拿大,有几十人的公司,就是中型公司了;有几个工程师的团队,就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上,不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。; R' R3 I& l- D, E& {
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所以,在这里,如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候,可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目;如果再联系另一家,就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径,这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。/ H% u/ s& ?# b( F# |
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件,不但有两个或以上的程序员,而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员,从而可能产生能量聚合,这就当然向这个方向努力。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20 7 ^4 Q0 w* c) k, U  N1 ~
谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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I will, thanks!% P! O7 u0 h# P  b( f# \  a5 h
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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