请教云山水月或者蛇王 Ha ling Peak

billzhao

ha ling peak翻译成海林峰吗？从老云的帖子里面看时这样的，但是为什么不是哈灵峰呢？

3 q" G0 v& t: Q4 A( q$ f另外，有没有资料能够证明这个人的原名叫什么？肯定他的姓不是ha 或者 海吧？
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google上找了半天无解，所以上来请教。

FrankSoccer

I have no idea to your question. Here are some pictures and more inforamtion. ) `2 @1 d4 |/ h  C2 R/ [' C1 r Ha Ling Peak & g  f; o. e+ o7 A$ J; C2 Y                                                                2408m (7900ft.)                                        Located in the Bow River Valley; a peak at the northwest end of Mount Lawrence Grassi; southeast buttress of White Man Gap. Kananaskis Park, Alberta 6 d9 r) G# N3 d4 w$ y                                                        Latitude 51; 03; 30 Longitude 115; 24; 00, Topo map 82O/03                                                                                                                 Panorama viewpoint: Harvie Heights. Can be seen from Highways 1 and 742                                                                                                                                                                                 Named in 1998. Ha Ling: (A railway worker who won a bet in the Canmore area by climbing the peak and returning to the Bow Valley in five and one half hours.) Official name. Other names Chinaman's Peak; The Beehive; + n5 ]5 K% Z3 G                                        : s. z" g4 m5 r- \' u9 d	Photo: The summit of Mount Lawrence Grassi (left) and Ha Ling Peak from Highway #1A just west of the Park Gates                                                                 More photos
Other Information - n. \$ i% i; r$ I# U                                                                                                                                        Photo: Ha Ling Peak from Highway #1A near Canmore                                                                                                                 Together with Ship's Prow[url=], Ha Ling Peak is a named high point on the more massive[/url]Mount Lawrence Grassi[url=](Ehagay Nakoda) that lies between[/url]The Three Sisters[url=]and[/url]Mount Rundle[url=]. This mountain was formerly officially named Chinaman's Peak. Although not made official until 1980, the mountain was named in 1886 in honour of Ha Ling, a Chinese cook at a mining camp. According to the Medicine Hat News of October 24, 1896, the previous weekend had seen a feat of remarkable mountain climbing near the town of Canmore.  In the “Canmore Cullings” column in that issue, it was reported that Ha Ling, a cook from China who worked at the mining camps, won a fifty-dollar bet. He bet some of his co-workers that he could climb to the top of the peak, plant a flag, and return to the town in ten hours. Not only did he accomplish the task he did it in five and a half hours. Following pressure from the Chinese Community, the name was removed in 1997 and officially renamed Ha Ling Peak the following year. However this may not be the end of the story. Writing in the October 4th issue of the Banff newspaper, Lorraine Widmer-Carson reported that Brian Dawson's book, "Moon Cakes in Gold Country -From China to the Canadian Plains," tells a different tale but one that still involves a Chinese cook and the bet. According to Dawson, it wasn't Ha Ling but Lee Poon (a cook at the Oskaloosa Hotel) who climbed the mountain and the bet was for $10. . {, e! p% Y+ y9 R& e# ZBoth stories involve a Chinese individual who was a cook and who climbed the mountain to win a bet. But what should the name of the mountain be? ! q! E- o( V! p0 H& h# L [/url][url=]*A hiking route to the summit is described in Gillean Daffern’s[/url]Kananaskis Country Trail Guide Volume 1.                                5 w) l* ^+ ]! g7 a
Scrambling Routes                                        An easy ascent via southwest slopes. Overlooking Canmore, this ascent is short, simple and, since trail improvements, much less steep. It is a favourite pilgrimage of locals; paragliders sometimes use it as a launch when the wind cooperates. A higher adjacent summit (2685 m) to the southeast, now called Mount Lawrence Grassi, may also be reached if you're good at routefinding. Ha Ling Peak is a popular season starter and should pose no problem from mid-May on Kane, Scrambles in the Canadian Rockies page 81

billzhao

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谢谢frank，这些资料不错。什么时候去爬一爬吧，听说是个很Popular的hiking trail，同时也纪念一下这些为太平洋铁路做出杰出贡献的华人劳工。

FrankSoccer

It is said to be the best trail in Canada.

kingsnake

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這個源出於 當年有個叫 淩海的中國 鐵路小伙子，在 5 小時 30 分内，打賭地完成了爬上了這座高山又下來的。
之前，因為不知道他的名字，又叫做  Chinaman's Peak.

billzhao

這個源出於 當年有個叫 林海的中國 鐵路小伙子，在 5 小時 30 分内，打賭地完成了爬上了這座高山又下來的。
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5 ^1 M$ O2 p( P2 x0 V" X" gkingsnake 发表于 2011-10-3 10:29

" I( c2 |! K' K) B! Q除了云山水月的帖子里面提到他的名字叫林海之外，还有其他来源吗？
那么，Ha ling 姓林名海？
中文翻译成叫林海峰，海林峰，哈灵峰？

另外广东话把lin读成ling，hai读成ha？

多谢！

放风儿

谢谢frank，这些资料不错。什么时候去爬一爬吧，听说是个很Popular的hiking trail，同时也纪念一下这些为太平洋铁路做出杰出贡献的华人劳工。
( k8 n3 K4 x2 z, S- f" Wbillzhao 发表于 2011-10-3 11:09

+ y8 u' C/ {. Q8 e* J4 }实际上haling peak是一个入门级的scrambling 线路，首登是个老华裔铁路工因打赌登上去的。那时候他用时5小时，现在相信很多人都可以快得多。另外虽说是scrambling线路，但是属于很容易的入门级。我谁虽没爬过haling peak，但爬过旁边的Mount Lawrence Grassi，所以知道此山不算难。

billzhao

凌海吗？

billzhao

实际上haling peak是一个入门级的scrambling 线路，首登是个老华裔铁路工因打赌登上去的。那时候他用时5小时，现在相信很多人都可以快得多。另外虽说是scrambling线路，但是属于很容易的入门级。
  \8 `" |4 W, w2 ?放风儿 发表于 2011-10-3 10:39

3 e9 ~: S4 p: e, V; l入门级更好了，

billzhao

云山水月

1886年的时候，加拿大的华人，遑论中文原名，能留下英文的名字已经算是奇迹了吧！

他们没有政治地位，没有经济地位，他们只是劳工，如同奴隶一般的劳工。
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Ha Ling Peak，很多人就叫做哈灵峰。也有翻作海岭峰的，还有海莲峰的，这就差得比较远。我不会广东话，所以只好猜测这个Ha，其实是姓“夏”，Ling，可能就是“岭”，或者“灵”“陵”“翎”，这个就无从判断了。

如果一定要翻，我宁愿翻作“夏灵峰”，听着比较顺口。

你这个问题，或者马健威会有标准答案吧！呵呵。

billzhao

1886年的时候，加拿大的华人，遑论中文原名，能留下英文的名字已经算是奇迹了吧！
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2 X3 `/ C" _% Y+ [! M他们没有政治地位，没有经济地位，他们只是劳工，如同奴隶一般的劳工。

Ha Ling Peak，很多人就叫做哈灵峰。也有翻作海岭峰的 ...
云山水月 发表于 2011-10-3 23:22

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+ j" E' X/ T" ^# j謝謝，有道理。確實留下英文名字已經不錯了，只是好奇而已。

& g" D0 `2 ^& ]! l: h在找到真名之前，先叫他夏靈吧。